Nevada’s Live Entertainment Tax and What it Means for Burning Man Ticket Sales

Usually around this time of year, we’ve got Black Rock City ticket information for you, but this year is a bit different.

You may have heard that earlier this year the Nevada Legislature passed a law amending the state’s Live Entertainment Tax (“LET”). These amendments (SB266) levy a 9% tax on the admission charge to an event held in a facility where “live entertainment” is provided. More specifically, NRS 368A.200.3 requires that the tax “must be added to and collected from the purchaser at the time of purchase.” The tax now even applies to events produced by 501(c)(3) nonprofit organizations — like Burning Man — if they sell at least 7,500 tickets to their event. SB266 can be found in its entirety here.

Notably, all boxing matches, NASCAR races, and professional and college sporting events when the Nevada-based home team is playing have been exempted from SB266, even though those events clearly constitute “live entertainment.”

Burning Man and its participants already contribute an estimated $50 million to the Northern Nevada economy every year, and Burners pay sales taxes, hotel/lodging taxes, and gas taxes. While we support Nevada’s right to collect fair taxes, we don’t believe the LET applies to Burning Man, and we intend to challenge it.

Black Rock City is an experiment in temporary community on 14,000 acres of the wide open Black Rock Desert. While the Burning Man organization provides the space and basic infrastructure for Black Rock City, we simply don’t provide live entertainment as defined by the statute. Black Rock City is not an arena concert, a sporting event or a Las Vegas show; it’s a thriving metropolis with all the trappings of a functioning temporary city, with people camping, cooking meals, visiting neighbors, and exploring the offerings of its citizens.

It’s a city of participants who gather to celebrate self-expression, gifting and community — and who happen to know how to throw a fantastic party for their friends. They conceive and build hundreds of interactive theme camps, art installations, mutant vehicles, costumes and performances, and they gift them for the benefit and enjoyment of each other.

It’s clear from this legislation the Burning Man event has been misunderstood. So, we are looking into the LET and trying to understand how it is meant to be applied. We’re also working to educate the Legislature so they understand what Burning Man is and how it works.

From our perspective, this is the latest attempt by an outside entity to unfairly tap the resources of Burning Man and its participants. Some seem to view Burning Man as the “golden goose” they can turn to when they want money for other projects. This happened most recently in 2014 with the Bureau of Land Management seeking money for VIP accommodations, but it’s been a trend for many years.

The tax may be unavoidable for 2016. We will know more as this process unfolds, but we’re not able to finalize 2016 ticket sales until we have more information. We know this may affect you and your campmates as you make plans for Black Rock City 2016, but we owe it to our community to fully understand our best path forward.

We will update you as soon as possible, and will have further details about 2016 ticket sales in the new year. Until then, you can get more information about the LET and SB266 from the Nevada Department of Taxation at (775) 684-2020 or from the bill’s sponsor, Nevada State Senator Mark Lipparelli at (775) 684-1475. If you wish to express your opinion please do so diplomatically, because — as one of its creators — you represent Burning Man, and we want the legislature to see our community in the best possible light.

[UPDATE: 1/20/2016]

Update on Nevada’s Live Entertainment Tax

On Friday, December 11 the Burning Man organization sent a letter to the Nevada Department of Taxation stating the reasons we believe Nevada’s live entertainment tax should not apply to our event. The state is required to respond within 45 days of receiving the letter and we are expecting a response from the Department of Taxation by the end of January. We had asked for a response by January 15, but the Department said it would likely take the full 45 days (perhaps even longer) to reply. In the meantime, we stand by our position that Burning Man should not be subject to the tax because we do not provide live entertainment as defined by the statute.

We’d also like to clarify that Burning Man does not contend that the Nevada Legislature intended the tax to apply to Burning Man. The language in the bill misses the mark so clearly and so completely that it is difficult to believe the Legislature would have drafted the statutes as they are written if they had intended to tax Burning Man. This is precisely why Burning Man has asked the Nevada Department of Taxation to determine that the tax does not apply to its activities, and eagerly awaits the Department’s response.

We know many of you are anxious for details regarding 2016 ticket sales. More information on the tax and on ticket sales will be available before the end of the month. Stay tuned!

[UPDATE: 2/1/2016]

Ticket Information Forthcoming

Thanks for your patience, everybody … we’ve been working out last minute details, and ticket information is coming this week.


 

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499 Comments on “Nevada’s Live Entertainment Tax and What it Means for Burning Man Ticket Sales

  • LYNNE FISK says:

    SO WE AS “BURNER” POUR MILLIONS INTO THE COFFERS OF NORTHERN NEVADA TO THE TUNE OF ABOUT $50,000,000 PER YEAR, AND WHAT YOU WANT TO CUT THE NECK OF THE “GOLDEN GOOSE LAYING THE GOLDEN EGG” ARE YOU PEOPLE IN NEVADA JUST PLAIN BRAIN DEAD OR WHAT B/C YOU WILL KILL IT IF YOU DO NOT WATCH OUT…SERIOUSLY YOU REALLY NEED TO THINK ABOUT THIS IGNORANCE.

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    • NoBurn16 says:

      I say we all take 2016 off (NO BURN) and tell these legislatures to GTST, see how they talk thier way out of this one when “reelection” rolls around!

      I Live in Nevada, it’s all about greed, north to south, if we don’t stand up to this BS, it will never end!

      Dusty Hugs )'(

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      • Sarah says:

        I think Dusty has a fantastic point.
        Even if it could be moved to a different location just for 2016. That’d be a 50mm dollar loss for them. And maybe there’s a better permanent location to be found anyway?

        I spent the best day of my life in the middle of the desert in Baja Mexico…
        Just a thought :)

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      • Crotchety Lady says:

        I have an idea…instead of calling it an admission ticket, why not sell them as raffle tickets for the chance to set the “Burning Man” on fire….no tax on raffle tickets that I know of. Might work.

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      • Arrow says:

        No Way man—-I gotta be there —I feel so pulled to go this year—my first year—-please rethink you proposal—
        Peace

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      • Sass says:

        Yes, moving to another location is in order.

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      • Shawn says:

        I am hoping to go for the first Time this year so I hope it won’t be canceled. But I do wonder if the tax wouldn’t be dropped if the event were to come about by bid. That way their community still is helped by the event yet the event itself would be helped by the bid. I hope my thoughts came across clearly. Thanks, Newby Shawn. Ps. Opra did a great piece for her Belief series on B/Man

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      • Peace says:

        I could see taking this year off to show the financial impact on the state. I’m not sure Burning Man finances could handle that. They still have running expenses and employees to support. Moving is not a reasonable response. The infrastructure is too vast to transfer to a new location for one year. I don’t know how many people know the event is staged from a ranch a few miles from the playa.

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      • Arrow says:

        I feel that we together make BM. It doesn’t matter where it is, as long as we can pull it off together. Right?
        Ill start the fringe group! BM Part Deux!!! Northern AZ anyone? Just think cool and no dust…

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      • Pattycakes says:

        This is to sad to hear!!!.
        But if BM came from California to Navada I’m pretty sure it can move agen, nomater where BM is the community will be strong and make it work!
        I got to miss it las year and the year before that
        This year I really wanna make it happen, but I don’t wanna be a part of something that at the end it will bite us in the ass, if there’s a way to fight this or argue or figure out a place to move well I’m in!!

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      • Moneisha says:

        I like this idea of selling a raffle, then you can invite raffle ticket holders to buy a ticket for $5 ;)

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      • Peace says:

        When BM moved from California to the playa it involved, at most, a few thousand people.

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      • Sarah phox says:

        Hear, hear!

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      • Piko says:

        Perhaps 2016, would be the perfect year to abstain from the dust, and let NV feel the financial loss? It’s a big world out there, and Burning Man is not the end all.
        I hear the Cook Islands are nice in August & September.

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      • Matthew says:

        The festival still needs to happen! I’ve never gotten to go and I really don’t want to miss out because of a tax. I wouldn’t mind paying more for something so amazing. It should stay where it is and go through proper channels to solve the issue if possible.

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      • MG says:

        I think that if the consideration is to move there is lots of possibilities New Mexico , North Dakota, Colorado, Wyoming all have spaces that might work. The Burner community is stronger than any specific location as evidenced by the growing regional burner events. A new location could shake things up for more experienced burners as new location could bring both new challenges which can result in personal/ community growth and benefits for the community.

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      • Chris says:

        Hi, is there any way you can save me 2 tickets. Thank You, Chris

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      • silvergirl says:

        Just heard from a little bird. We’re paying the tax this year, but the event will be in BRC. This is a rumor of course from me, but my source knows the scoop.

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    • NoBurn16 says:

      And fyi YELLING is “brain dead”

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    • Jim Vassar says:

      The tax man has always had his hands around the neck of the golden goose. I live in Chicago Illinois or better described, Dumb and Dumber. Prime example of how government always screws up a good thing.

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    • Natron Deo says:

      Not having the Burn would place a historical gap into what imo is properly becoming the world`s needed new faith. This could then only be explained by reference to the petty greed of Nevada state officials, which the Burningman is in no way about. Moving the Burn is tantamount to admitting this is merely another event, and the Playa upon which it is held is not earth consecrated by over 20 years of hopes, dreams and emotions that waking on the radiant ground after sunrise after the Temple Burn and being fed by the loving community of senior burners makes resonantly clear.

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      • Adam says:

        By God, you nailed it with this.
        Thanks for the goosepimples.

        I also disagree that moving off the playa is the option. My blood, sweat, and tears are soaked into that land.

        The raffle is a good idea. The raffle ticket price at $399.

        -Big Time

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      • Weezer says:

        Many or most or all religions include a tradition of exile: the Hejira of Mohammed, Jesus’ forty days in the desert, the Jews’ captivity in Babylon, maybe this is time that BM wanders in the wilderness in order to return stronger. Plus it’s time to shake out the riffraff, the event was full of Damned Tourists in 2015.

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    • Dreaming Fool says:

      I used to negotiate contracts with government entities sometimes it’s just a matter of clarifying the wording…Just a thought…Why not sell camping passes not tickets? That is essentially what you are doing. Giving people a place to camp for a week. How they interact is not planned entertainment by an organizer and paid entertainers, This might clarify what people are essentially getting for the week.

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      • steven odell says:

        Excellent idea to call them camping passes. Camping anywhere else would not require an entertainment tax, so the same logic should apply here.

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      • Bob dobbs says:

        Unfortunately burning the man is entertainment and while I find it to be one of the most boring aspects of the event as long as the bmorg puts on the man burn they’re providing entertainment. I don’t think they’re going to be able to get around this. Looks like tickets are going up an extra $40

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    • S. Grace Jackson says:

      I think maybe we (as painful as it would be) shouldn’t do Burning Man in 2016 and see how legislators feel about losing the revenue provided by the gathering. Going to Burning Man has been on my bucket list for years. In fact it’s the ONLY thing on my bucket list so this would be an unfortunate thing for me but a very powerful statement to the money mongers.

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      • Rhonda Hartman says:

        Burning Man has been on my wife’s bucket list for many years and we were planning on tickets this year. It would be very disappointing for all of us. While i am disappointed with NV and their greed, change the wording to where it works for the cause. I agree with selling camping spots.

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      • Mama J says:

        Hmm. Oddly, I rather agree with this idea: Take a year off and say, “Hey, Nevada, How you like me now?” Really! The amount of money we spend as a community in that town is intense … it’s Reno’s “Christmas season” in terms of retail and many other businesses’ boon season.

        My own camp brings 35 people in to the city each year, most by flight; we rent two private homes; we rent a dozen plus hotel rooms; we rent a 24-foot truck; we rent several cars; we buy about $15,000 locally in food, drinks and supplies for individuals and the camp. And, yes, while some of this money goes to the Walmarts of the world, much of it goes to smaller businesses, the local farmers market and local real estate investors.

        No 2016? Take that, Nevada!

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      • The majority off you have some effective & innovative solutions. It appears the tax does not apply but it IS Nevada & they will never stop seeing our City, our Community, our Dreams incarnate & Lives realized, as anything too much more then a freaky goose that lays one massive golden egg across the State, annually. I concur with the notion of temporary relocation. Tell Nevada we are “just looking'” at other ‘venues’ that offer something……different. We have all the leverage in this case. They need our $$ way more than we need to be inflexible on location. Especially when the cause is just. When you inform them of our decision ( not offer ), I’m betting $50million starts to be a pretty big deal & pretty fast. If it doesn’t, we take in some new scenery this time around & this year Nevada feels the Burn.

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    • H D Thorough says:

      I say that If the burn happens on the Playa this year That everyone mention, “that it is a shame the this is the last year that burning man will be in Nevada as the Borg have found a spot in Arizona for 2017” to all the people in Reno and the surrounding area as you are buying camp gear, gas stations, Walmart, etc.
      Nothing puts the fear into folks as a good old fashion Rumor [grin]

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      • Greyson says:

        WALMART is the EVIL EMPIRE! I don’t understand how you can call yourself a BURNER and shop at a place that cares about NOTHING BUT $$$! (exactly what BM isn’t about…and yes, I know it’s gotten more and more expensive, but that’s what happens when you create something that more and more people want to be a part of) Maybe you should go back and read the 10 principles. I live in Reno and understand that walmart is the cheapest option, but if you have the $$$ to fly into the country or state, rent cars, hotel rooms, rv’s, etc., and run a theme camp, what’s wrong with spending a little extra on quality food and supplies? Small shops close everyday because of walmart, your dollars should go to them. In the next couple months I plan on developing a website to inform people coming into Reno and the surrounding areas of where to shop for BM. Stay tuned…

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    • Yvonne Franko says:

      Obsorb the tax in price if the ticket. We the people want to attend this event. Can the burningman organization create this gesture to us the attendee ? I think yes you can

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    • Ted Chu says:

      Enough is enough. If it isn’t BLM then it’s the county sheriff or now the Nevada legislature. Several years ago when BLM was being a pain in the ass didn’t one of the Indian reservations invite BM to go there? Why not?There also is a big ranch for sale just to the north which could be bought with the $millions of ticket sales. I’m sure there are other properties available around the west. Frankly until Bundy et al are brought to justice BM should not pay the BLM a penny more.

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      • FlowerBeast says:

        Great Ideas. Either buy some property or get invited to the Rez. Anything to get away from the BLM or any Fed property. FlowerBeast )'(

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      • Irongrip says:

        I agree with moving to the nearest reservation. Let the $50 Million go to the Indian tribe. Then Burning Man wouldn’t have to pay BLM or their silly ‘VIP’ accomodations. Not only that, but there wouldn’t be the Feds, Nev. State Patrol, Sheriffs, and all the other miscellaneous groups trying to bust everyone.

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      • Alaia says:

        And frankly, I’d be much happier seeing that money go to the reservations.

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    • DawnL Finch says:

      Watching this year after year is like watching a teenager out of control and loosing himself to some unwanted fate… I LOVE Burning Man and my heart cries out for it year after year but I am becoming the hardened parent soul who eventually wonders if it is time for “tough love” instead of holding breath each year to see what new restrictions and complications are placed upon this amazing event… instead maybe my resources need to placed someplace else…. but how do you walk away heartless from your child… when in the end maybe that is what they need… ALL I know is I want the love of the playa again but it is being slowly choked from the ground of Nevada BS up

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      • Andy Jones says:

        WellSaid! After 12 years in a row of going to the burn I have felt the increase in the cost and the pressure from all of the law enforcement agencies that use burning man for their Training grounds. Maybe taking a break and going to a regional burn is what I need. Let’s face it the fun police have landed right on top of our sacred event and they will squeeze the life out of it!

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    • Kelly says:

      The “entertainment” that is BurningMan is created by all of its ticket holders… I’m positive there is a way around this red tape. Instead of purchasing spectator tickets to an event like we are traditionally use to what if we all apply to be entertainers? I’d like to see them try to tax that! No one at burning man is merely a spectator. Also, what about the fact the BurningMan is actually a social experiment? We could also take a look at the way the tickets/fees are looked at. Maybe it tickets are only $1 and the rest is fees? Sure we’ll give your tax Nevada on $1! I think there is a lot we can do here to fight this new tax.

      Please don’t cancel or relocate this year! This will be my first burn!

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    • Anne says:

      My 2015 camp was on L, and our view was a constant stream of arrests by the local sheriff’s dept, including numerous instances of women being patted down by male officers. I agree, take 2016 off and look for a more hospitable place for the playa.

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    • Oak says:

      Ummmmm. WE, the participants, ARE the live entertainment!!! The event does not supply us entertainment. We supply the event entertainment. IF the attendees did not show up there would be NO entertainment – this is in stark contrast to most any other event. Jeeeez. Hope this gets worked out.

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    • Todd Muhlenberg says:

      As resident of Nevada that has never attended Burning Man but think it is one of the coolest things around please don’t let the idiocy of our State government define the rest of us Nevadans. Most of us “Brain Dead” residents at this point despise our Governor & his Legislature for their huge tax increases across the board this last session. Have a great day.

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    • Janiac5000 says:

      This year would be the first time we bring our boys. If BM happens somewhere else, we will go. Not only does Nevada lose, but so does The town of Gerlach, the water suppliers, grocery stores, gas, RV rentals and so on. The damage is incredible to their economy and they want to gloss over that. We the ticket holders funnel our resources back into CA and NV to come camp there.
      “If I were covetous, ambitious or perverse, As he will have me, how am I so poor?
      1 Henry VI

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    • Marinda says:

      I’m content to pay more. This has been a careful balance of government and free society since the very beginning (Cacophony Society, Suicide Club, Fight Club, your own personal existence!) We will NEVER change traditional/homogeneous culture without being a part of it, and this comes with a price tag = 9% apparently for 2016. But that’s no more than any burner spends on their radical expression (costumes self-created or purchased by supporting local artists), radical participation (which often require huge donor contributions) and radical self-reliance (REI, Walmart and many smaller companies/individuals that manufacture and sell all the big/little things we rely and live on). Say what you will, but this is no more than the next growth challenge. We have infiltrated the common consciousness and I say its a GOOD thing. If it comes with a steeper price tag, well then so you have it. It’s no more than accepting that the price of the city you live in has risen because more people are attracted and flocking to it. I say celebrate it. And use it as a force to infiltrate. Wasn’t that the whole point???

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      • Andy Jones says:

        Wow when does it stop $10,000 tickets! It seems to be way more than my cost of living income increase. The cost to run a camp at burning man and bring in a art car to the event cost a lot more money than it used to! And we won’t go into all the paperwork that’s required and planning! Don’t get me wrong I love burning man but I hate all of the new rules and cost increases for all of us that bring something to the party besides a smile and a costume! After feeling the growing pains for 12 years now I think I’ll check out a regional burn and keep my money in the state where I live.

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    • Claymore says:

      The $50M does not go to the state of Nevada. It goes to the local economy, that means most of it goes to private companies so approximately $3.8M goes to the state in sales tax.

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    • Matthew says:

      A few of us from Wi, are just looking to be inspired. Is this thing on?! Why so difficult? We will pay the tax….. appreciate your fight. Lets fight oxycontin instead!!!!!! …..just looking to spread peace in the name of art

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    • Linda F. says:

      Northern Nevada is cash poor and are desperate for funds, which makes them greedy. This doesn’t make them right for doing this. It just makes them stupid. You can educate people out of ignorance, but you can’t educate people that are stupid! I agree that Burners need to move to a venue that is smarter than Nevada!

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    • Stefan says:

      Anza Borrego is a great place to move Burning Man. Bring it back to CA. CheersY’all!

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  • Jonsi inglis says:

    You people? And I really take offense to your comments regarding brain dead. Yes knuckleheads are voted in who pass legislation that some don’t like. I certainly don’t like or agree with this tax either but if you don’t think any other state would apply similar taxes you’re in denial…

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    • Matt says:

      That’s not quite so. Other states that have suitable land (for example, Utah) could try to entice Bmorg to move the event in exchange for a guarantee that it be taxed (or rather, not taxed) and policed in a certain way. It would be a deal. The event would move and Nevada would be the net losers. They’re just banking that this won’t happen. But at some point it could.

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      • katja says:

        i think you are right. the most powerful answer to this is to move the festival to somewhere else. doubt that is gonna be done though, people are too attached to the location.

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      • Peter says:

        I come from the east coast – and honestly – I would welcome a change of scenery. Not because of the weather and it’s challenges, but just a general, “Yeah no problem, this would be just as fun over there. And f–k those money grabbing bullies.”

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      • Joseph says:

        We can always move the event to the desert in Mexico with the shamans there. Don’t think meixco would mind,and eh guess what there is no tax in meixco

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      • Tempest says:

        Actually, we could never hold the event in Utah, because of the ridiculously restrictive laws on nudity. Being naked here in the presence of a minor lands one on the sex offender registry FOR LIFE! We can’t even have kids at our Regional for that reason.

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      • Magenta says:

        First, sorry Peter, I accidentally reported your comment but I just wanted to say to you that your post really made me love you or at least crush out… Moderator, please forgive. Second, I think we SHOULD go to Mexico and levy a self-imposed 9% tax on our own regular ticket price and then gift that to Mexico as a big F-U to Nevada and their fascist exploitive asses.

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  • Jon says:

    This will hurt the local tribes and schools the most, it’s a shame in the truest sense of the word.

    Black Rock Solar has installed over 5 megawatts of solar power for tribes, nonprofits & schools.

    This and many other programs will shutter under this legislation. The greed of a few affect the lives of many.

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    • Shpilkus says:

      Due to the US Gypsum plant shutting down in Empire, the Town of Gerlach is on critical life support. If Burning Man relocated from Nevada, Gerlach would turn into a ghost town within months. It would be nothing but a dusty memory–unable to attract new residents.

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  • Matt Kalan says:

    Fairness is a universal human [and animal] trait so the main anger about this is that Burning Man is targeted but not other similarly sized live events. That is what the legislature doesn’t seem to understand, that lack of fairness motivates people greatly, so much so that many in the community would want to find another venue as punishment for the legislature taking this action. Hopefully there is some precedence for targeting individual events by which it can be challenge but I’m not an expert.

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    • Jovankat says:

      Fairness really isn’t a universal human trait. It’s cultural. Psychological and sociological studies that for years were thought to demonstrate universal concepts of fairness have yielded vastly different results when undertaken in non-western communities.

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  • Branden says:

    seems like if logic doesn’t work than you might be able to fight them with legalese on how exactly the entire Black Rock Desert counts as a “facility” ?

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  • Elizabeth says:

    A 7% increase in ticket prices might be one of the smaller bumps we’ve experienced.

    Let’s not pretend for a second that the Org would absorb the tax. It would pass the tax onto us.

    Is the concern that participants are paying too much or that the money is going to the state rather than the Org?

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    • Jeff Corah says:

      So… The pre sale tickets go from $800 to $856 and the main sale tickets from $390 to $426 … Will the car pass go from $50 to $53.70 each ? Will coffee and ice go up 7% ?

      Where does that new money $$$ go ? Will BLM provide more for the money ? Will Washoe sheriffs have to hand out less l
      Tickets ? In the whole of things …. BM week costs me about 5k Tickets, RV , costumes , goodies, and the 1,000 hot dogs and carrot dogs I provide….. adds up

      I’ve said, we could easily go to Europe for 10 days on that ..

      BM is not for the faint of heart , folks on a budget , those who struggle with an extreme environment , yet it is, and It will always will be the biggest PARTY ON EARTH

      Go Ducks

      Signed

      Spooner and Scooter

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      • Spock the Cow says:

        So the most important thing I got from your comment was ‘carrot dogs’. How do you make these, and….are they actually good?

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      • gabs says:

        not everyone that goes to burning man has this materialistic “blow the wad” mentality as you do. try going without an RV some time. tread lightly? try not to spend thousands on shitty glow sticks and asshat costumes to look like every other furry raver that leaves piles of waste behind because they have no clue how to pack out their trash..

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      • Sara says:

        Would be great to see BMO buy it’s own land and be done with the red tape and government financial rape. Take 2016 and relaunch next year on their own terms.

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      • Peace says:

        Jeff’s comment made me feel yucky…

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  • Jeeves says:

    It’s very tempting to promote a “Buy Nothing in Nevada” campaign. Because the only service burners get from being taxed are too many cops. I’m glad cooler heads than mine will prevail in working towards an agreement. But do you really need to postpone ticket sales? You do realize what a mess that will create?

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    • ToMmY says:

      Wait a minute.

      There are 75,000+ people coming. Lots of revenue up US 395, 95, I-80, etc.

      And there are expenses. Roads. Public safety. Road signs. Emergency response. Infrastructure. Growl as you might at road conditions, nothing in life is free. It seems a bit unfair to exempt specific events, but there is NOTHING ON EARTH that draws the crowd that Black Rock City does. Nothing.

      The old maxim “Nothing in life is free” is salient here. Nevada made a bet that the Burn would stay. At this point, moving an event like this logistically isn’t in the cards. It’s enough that Pershing County and Washoe County are like Iraq and Holland by comparison. With the tax, you might also get some say and sway.

      Yes, the event pays lots in services. No, it doesn’t pay much for the infrastructure that makes the Black Rock Desert an ideal place to hold the event. Yes, we’re responsible keepers of the desert. I would like the tax to be less, but I also understand the need for revenue in times when the pressures to reduce government have instead, strangled it in many ways. Those who go will go, will do so for reasons that don’t correspond to the $$$. We’re burners, and within reason, we’ll be there.

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      • HeyheyJc says:

        There are plenty of events on Earth that attract crowds that make BM seem like a few close friends hanging out. Festivals like Roskilde, Glastonbury etc… plus think about some of them thar’ religious get-togethers.

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  • Owen says:

    Seems like a good opportunity for neighboring states to offer us a new playa to call home.

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    • Theo LaForthun says:

      I agree with moving the show, There are many friendly neighboring states with deserts (Oregon, Washington, Colorado/may add legalized marijuana in all states) Utah, Arizona, SO Cal.
      Nevada has always been a scam, this is Harry Reid country, move the show!

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  • Sarahnv says:

    From what I’ve read and heard, this bill was put into place to target the Electric Daisy Carnival (EDC); which takes place in Las Vegas and attracted over 400,000 people last year. With that many people and it being quite obviously live entertainment, I would say they are to blame for this new tax.
    Also, Nevadan’s didn’t create this tax! Our government did!!! Many of us are Burners and will have to suffer paying this tax for Burning Man and all other events we go to in our state. We’re not happy about either!

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    • waynerd says:

      What I don’t get is why would they exempt boxing matches if this wasn’t strictly about Burning Man. Those events make huge money from both tickets sales and pay per view. So something seems fishy.

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      • nik says:

        Boxing matches are excluded probably because of the usual corruption in government. E.g. Casinos paying off officialls (call it lobbying all you want it’s the same thing, trading money for regulation)

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    • nik says:

      Thanks for adding the EDC info here – that really should be in the main blog post – looks like the tax isn’t “just” about burning man. EDC according to wikipedia has 134,000 attendees per day (they count that as 400,000 over 3 days, which I guess is just marketing?!).

      I still think the event should consider moving but since that there is another, even bigger reason for NV to introduce the tax, fighting it on legal grounds makes sense too.

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    • JenJen says:

      I agree SarahNV. I think it is more about EDC and Insomniac events than BM. They generate a lot more money for NV. And in fact are definitely live entertainment events. BM should be able to find a loophole.

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  • Keith FINKELSTEIN says:

    Does this tax apply to all campsites in NV?
    Burningman is extremely entertaining but it’s nothing more than a really big campsite. The entertainment comes from the participants not the organizers and therefore the entertainment tax should not apply. It would be like going to a Lake Tahoe Campsite and getting taxed for having too much fun!

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  • Jeff says:

    Time to move to Mojave or Joshua Tree

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    • Stroker says:

      Of course, please be considerate and constructive in your comments. Expressing positions of how Burning Man does not fit the mold of the Live Entertainment Tax could give cause for exemption from the tax.

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  • annomiss' says:

    Everyone has to pay their fair share…..why are burners above the law? BM is using all that land without paying it’s fair share? burners want everything for free now? The comments here sound exactly like the same complaints that bundy had from being overtaxed and overcharged….same for the democrats who went after the tea party for complaint about being OVER TAXED….- but when it comes to “your” event getting screwed and overtaxed….it’s suddenly ‘not fair’…seems like a pathetic double standard to me…one sided and pathetically ignorant. Case in point – next time some politician wants to ‘TAX’ something – look at it in a similar context – and you will have seen your double standard staring you in your dusty face

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    • Some Guy says:

      annomiss – YOU AND I own that land. That’s what BLM lands are. And we’ve far and away paid for it in permits and other fees already. Several times over in fact.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Miguel_Ruiz#The_Four_Agreements

      Consult Agreement Number Two. <3

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      • Peter4 says:

        About the LET. I hate any type of taxes, but burners need to look into there own house first. How much money does BMO make ? If it’s all about how nevada is over charging please look at the price of tickets and how the price has escalated since 2000. And at one time if you lived in Nevada you were almost banned from buying first round tickets. Also about Indian res. please remember it it a federal res. drunk in public , spitting on the sidewalk or j walking are all felonies . You are probably being treated very easily by the jackboots.

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    • Felony Arson says:

      At Burningman 99% of the entertainment is provided by participants- not the Burningman Organization. The Org. merely provides the space. We bring our own canvas on which we paint. Without the participants that “bring it” all week- the Man would burn for the frat boys and sparkle ponies that come for Saturday night only. I’d rather pay the tax than have to travel to Oregon or southern Nevada or whatever other godforsaken place being considered. If the event has to move due to this tax I may not be able to bring what I bring now- or possibly attend at all. Isn’t there a saying ” Don’t look a gift horse in the mouth?” Well there you go.

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    • NoBurn16 says:

      lol, you either don’t know the facts or you’re a troll … I would suggest you educate yourself before you make comments about something you obviously no nothing about.

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    • Nibbles says:

      Burning man is far from being a free event, it is actually already quite expensive. Interesting you say that BM should pay their fair share since this Tax is targeted at BM and excludes other events. If it was a “Fair Share” thing then all events should pony up.

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    • The Hustler says:

      Buddy was and is stealing from us. He’s grazing cattle on public land and not paying. It’s theft, nothing more. Add to that, an unregulated militia of wanna-be soldiers pointing assault weapons at federal agents to “defend” Bundy’s perceived freedom (theft).

      The Democratic Party “went after” the Tea Party for being a bunch of idiots. Whining, selfish idiots.

      We buy tickets to go to Burning Man, but they’re more like a share or contribution to build a city, rather than an entrance to an organized festival or concert. We buy tickets, pay for gear and supplies, pay to get there.

      The Burning Man Organization then pays the Bureau of Land Management a several-million dollar fee to use the property. The permit stipulates the land has to be immaculate after. The actual placement of the city is slightly different every year to not overly abuse one specific section.

      In addition to BLM fees, the Borg pays for the law enforcement, medical services, (feeding both groups very well, just like the paid staff and countless volunteers), pumping services for the thousands of port-a-shits and the port-a-shits themselves (Burning Man owns some and leases others). It rents heavy equipment and other services locally.

      In addition to that, Burning Man has affiliated charities like Black Rock Solar and Burners Without Borders, in addition to art grants and other charities.

      Burners pay to go. Burning Man pays to have the event and to take care of the community.

      Americans are not overly taxed. Compared to the many nations with higher standards of living, we pay fairly low taxes, and get little in return.

      The cost of Burning Man tickets doesn’t really go up that much every year and a 9% tax probably isn’t a financial deal breaker (although I’d really not like to pay it, especially since it doesn’t apply.). This isn’t going to make Burning Man move elsewhere, it’s not enough to cancel the event.

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    • Glopro says:

      Annomiss’ obviously has no clue what it takes to have Burning Man on the playa. The cost of the permits and land use fees, the additional “bribe” forced on burners in the form of the vehicle pass… It takes millions to even have permission to use the land. Now the government wants an additional 9% (where is everyone getting 7% when the article said 9%?) because after paying to use BLM land they want to call it a venue? Thin ice, Nevada. Keep skating on thinner and thinner ice.
      I support the Buy nothing in Nevada movement for 2016.

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  • Trey B says:

    As a resident of Reno & a participant at BM multiple times, I ask all Burners not to blame the citizens of No. Nevada for this tax. The blame goes to our GOP controlled Government in Carson City who although Republicians, love to tax events & business at will…. Unless the Casinos are against it. BM is at the point that many can no longer afford to participate as it is & this new selective tax will make it even more difficult. For the benefit of all Burners, I wish you success in getting this tax removed from the ticket prices.

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  • Mary S says:

    Perhaps it’s time to buy property for the event rather than renting. Make it a private camping event. For the millions that are paid to BLM every year – it could be easily done.

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    • Chris Buhler says:

      Buying land is a very good idea. I am sure Burning man could have bought land like what is Black Rock City many times over for the rent they are paying. Some Infrastructure could be permanent. A city could stay, making BRC more sustainable economically and environmentally.
      On a different note, why not move into Oregon on the playa lake of Summer Lake. It is expansively beautiful. I bet there is a large chunk of property one could buy there. It is about 75 miles further from San Francisco and knocks about 4 1/2 hours off from Portland and Seattle and parts north.

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  • Gene T says:

    I have long been a fan of Northern Utah. I think it’s long since time to switch things up a bit and give Black Rock a break.

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  • Chimichanga says:

    UTAH!! We got desert and an equally conservative populous that won’t have a clue what’s going on! Plus there’s loads of cops here too! And taxes! And bmorg can still price gouge and we can still go play in the dust! And then the vets can still complain even more about how it used to be so much better when… It would be like nothing would change. Except the price of tickets, but they’ll always just go up and up!!

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  • nikolaus heger says:

    Legalese aside, if LET was specifically created to target burning man, the response needs to be equally specifically targeted. You could hire lawyers and talk your way out of it but really all they need to do is modify the legislature so this is not a solution. The intent matters.

    So I’d urge you to play hardball. This is possible only when BMORG is perfectly willing to “destroy” the event – willing to simply not do it in 2016, if alternate venues cannot be found. Even as it is likely alternate venues can and will be found – BM has many friends with resources, in order to be able to negotiate you have to be willing to drop it.

    A simple statement like “We will look for alternate venues for 2016 and years thereafter, and we will not hold the event in 2016 if LET indeed applies to the event.” The NV legislature has a face-saving way out by acknowledging that, in fact, the LET doesn’t apply to Burning Man (for the reasons outlined above).

    BMORG has been in various disputes with NV and the local legislature and it’s really always about the same thing: Local authorities wanting money for nothing.

    How dependent is BM on the black rock desert location? It seems like now would be a good time to establish that it isn’t. Do it somewhere else.

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  • Shpilkus says:

    The Burning Man organization provides for it’s participants, the road infrastructure of a makeshift city, a Center Camp gathering area for participants to congregate and also to buy a very limited selection of drinks. Also, there are a few thousand porta potties dispersed throughout the sprawling landscape. The organization does NOT provide any entertainment–live or otherwise whatsoever.

    Any type of music, performance art, dancing, fire spinning etc., if offered freely and at no charge or by contract, to the participants of this event.

    If I choose to freely stand on a stage at Center Camp and wretch out my best rendition of our national anthem, this should not constitute “live entertainment”, nor should any participant be taxed over this.

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  • steve-o-reno says:

    It appears the tax law is written such that it does not apply to the participation based burning man event.
    even if the partys that make that determination stipulate the tax, it is relativly minor 9% of $400 is $36, not the end of the world in cost increase. this is still the best deal on the planet. )^(

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  • Naki says:

    Why not ask a reservation if they’d like $50 million dollars.

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    • Woody says:

      YES! Let’s give our Native American some love…and pay them to host us for a week.
      I believe they have a dozen patrol officers which would restore the correct balance of law enforcement to law breakers :-)

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    • Irongrip says:

      And the nice thing about going to an Indian reservation is that the distance from Black Rock Desert to the new BMorg home may not be too great at all. I wonder if that reservation we all drive through on the way to Gerlach would be amenable to $50 million! Also, no law enforcement ogling all the women and ticketing everyone for the most minor things.

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  • Doug says:

    I wonder where the breaking point is. 5 years ago the tickets was around $200. Now tickets are around $400, plus the $50 car tax. Now a new tax that’s a little less then the car tax. So now we have the cost around $500.
    It’s true that people who participate for real – the cost of the ticket is small compared to what you investing in bringing an camp, art or mutant vehicle to the event.
    Last year our camp had 2 rows of rental rv’s. The renters brought nothing to the event, maybe they might bring something some other year after experiencing burning man – or will they ?
    After the event sold out, things changed. I wonder with 60% first timers coming ( per the brc census ) – how long the old 40% can keep bringing the party to the desert.

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    • Helix says:

      Where are you getting your numbers from?

      Ticket prices in 2010 were $210–$360. Last year they were $390.

      2014 Census results say 35% virgins.

      Sounds like your should spend more time focusing on the quality of your camp and making sure any virgins you bring understand what makes BRC special.

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      • Steve Saunders says:

        The ruling elite cannot stand to see average people having a good time…. We need to put a stop to this tyranny… They are like a rotten tooth that needs to be extracted…. It might hurt to pull it out but it needs to be done because they will not stop of their own volition. We have to do it for them… This kind of greed knows no limitation

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    • Hunter says:

      As one of the BRC Census analyst, I would like to correct your assertion. First-timers represent around 35% of the BRC population, not 60%. Your number might come from reading burner.me where they redefined newbies as “less than 4 times” in a text (if my memory is correct) to argue that BM was full of newbies. If you want the original results, I suggests that you go to the primary source of the info (e.g., http://burningman.org/culture/history/brc-history/afterburn/2014-afterburn-report/brc-2014-census/).

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    • The Hustler says:

      What is a car tax?

      I believe there was a fee to drive a car, but it doesn’t effect everyone. (Like me, I took Burner Express)

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      • Derwood says:

        You took the Express so you didn’t supply any infrastructure. If you did, you sent it with someone with a vehicle that paid the vehicle tax for you. Your point??

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  • Sound Man says:

    Make a few assumptions, moving to UT would cost about $145 more in gas for the “average” burner coming from Reno or CA vs. $40 in ticket price to leave it in NV. Stop waving the Utah threat. It is toothless.

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  • Brian says:

    Salt lake here we come

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  • TO_vagabond says:

    where is the tax money going is what I’d like to ask? anything good being done with it? if so, cool.

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  • Human Jones says:

    Are we all willing to put up $417.30 for a ticket? I already purchase an extra ticket that I gift to someone who did not make the cut or does not have the money. That will have to stop.

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  • Steve Saunders says:

    What this expresses is another example of how greed runs rampant in this country…. We need to put a stop to this suppressive behavior…. Back in the old days when government got out of hand we stretched some rope….. If they don’t know how to control themselves perhaps we should do it for them and put an end today disgusting greed

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  • Jb says:

    If yer REALLY pissed cancel the 2016 event in protest. Locals will get y’all exempt likity split. I agree y’all do more for the region than NASAR ever will and you need to show ’em greed will only get them nil.

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  • Mike M says:

    Actually, cancelling the burn for one year is the very, very best way to tell the Nevada officials to “fuck off” while the BMORG seeks a new location – not in the fucking state of Nevada. Besides, I think we all agree a Burn with no dust would be a wonderful thing (despite being a vet burner I say this in all candor.)

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    • Paulimon says:

      RIGHT ON. So agree with you Mike. Last year’s white outs were a bit much. Also, too many shakedowns by law enforcement. Do they have white outs in Arizona?
      Yes, let’s move it somewhere else. AND, yes, Borg
      please buy some land in a place that doesn’t try to squeeze every dollar from the organization and from the participants. In this case, change is good.

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      • Jim Montgomery says:

        Move BM up North to Oregon. No sales tax, plenty of room and from what I have heard, Klamath Falls / Klamath County have offered land to hold the event. It may be land in the Klamath Indian reservation, I am not sure. Reno would still be a viable airline hub location so it would not be a total loss for Northern Nevada. Plus we have legal weed!! Nudity is not against the law and we have some of the best beer and wine in the country! Looks like a win-win-win to me!!

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  • The Hustler says:

    Every year there is ticket drama. Every year there is drama with plug-and-play camps or something else; and every year it blows over and Burning Man is awesome.

    Every year the same hippies suggest moving Burning Man elsewhere, completely unaware of the tremendous amount of work it takes to build Black Rock City. A lot of that work depends on the ranch in Gerlach where the Org stores materials and shipping containers. Its is there where the man is built.

    Simply moving Black Rock City is not really a possibility. Also, as others have noted, the economies of the local areas depends on Burning Man — at least partially — to balance their books.

    Add to that the size of the area … where else would work?

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  • Serpent says:

    …the Salt Flats would be interesting and easy to do; better access, larger area, similar landscape. And it will keep out some of the ‘undesirables.’ Werd. ;)

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    • Mimi says:

      The salt flats would not do, they have been too wet for speed week for the last few years. Besides, camping on salt is just nuts, you think dust is bad? Also, smack dab next to I-80, not isolated in the least. Utah might enforce their restrictive nudity laws. As it is, there are no children allowed at the regional because of that.

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  • Ah !….I have to laugh to keep from crying. Soooo many of my Burner friends proudly identify with the “Progressive” side of the political spectrum.

    When Rancher Cliven Bundy, whose family settled and productively used the open range for more than a century, had his “deal” with Da Gubbmint unilaterally changed and was hit with grazing “fees” to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars, the vicious comments on the Burner Blogs were almost uniformly about how this “rich’ landowner was spme sort of right-wing, gun-totin’ redneck, and should OBEY the rules of the bureaucrats, pay his “fair share”, and shut up. After all, a 70 some year old guy with some land and cattle is “rich”, right??

    But aren’t Burners “rich” too? After all, you have to be “rich” to take off work, fly/drive to a remote location, buy camping gear, rent RVs, fly your small airplane to the airstrip you had the resources you built, buy fancy clothes, build funny vehicles. You MUST be “rich”.

    The “Progressives” are always screaming “tax that BMW, tax that yacht ( usually anything over 30 ft. ), tax that small plane, tax that RV”………..after all, the owners are RICH…..and of course they never pay their “fair share”.

    Well guess what folks, the biggest extortion racket of all time – Da Gubbmint – has just made the determination the Burners are RICH.

    So pay up……..and remember all the millions of women, children, and orphans streaming across our southern border who need your money more than you do so they can be comfortable in the Great State of Nevada when Da Gubbmint settles them in small town Nevada so the white-bread residents can truly appreciate the meaning of “diversity”

    )'(…….. your PlayaSlumlord

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    • TreeDee says:

      I could not have said it better myself Playa Slumlord!!!! I was going to reply to some one else’s comment and saw yours! I will also add that everyone is whining that this is targeted at “burners”! Please I am not in favor in more taxes in anyway and I fought our legislators against this bill but it is in no way targeting the Burners or Burning Man! I work at Lake Tahoe with Open air Summer venues and this is a huge impact on our summer concerts and our Shakespeare festival and so on and so on!!! You know if you want to blame anyone for high ticket prices look to the organizers! T You know the organizers could cut the price by the amount of the tax and look “Burners could pay the same! But the SF liberal organizers couldn’t possibly “do that” They have to spend their money on their large tax bills in California and spend money on global warming and such……..booo hooo their money sacks may not be as full!!

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  • stresskitchen says:

    how bout washington or colorado for obvious reasons

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  • As a resident of Nevada, I appreciate and support the “Blackrock Community”. I strongly agree that taxing Burning Man tickets is wrong.
    Nevada does not have an income tax so every one is trying to come up with ways of taxing our visiting population to death thus killing the people contributing to our economy.
    The Nevada community should impose a 1% income tax on all residents and 2% on those who live here (military exempt) but continue to keep their out-of-state address.
    It would make a great difference in our economy!!
    Just my personal opinion!

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    • No Nevada Lassie spelled rightp says:

      Las Vegas Lasy, Please don’t comment on things you know nothing about……Not living in NORTHERN Nevada. You don’t know how or if these precious Burners impact our lives here on the playa and by the way, there is nothing stopping you from sending in the 2% of your gross income( Now remember its the gross not the net) to the state of Nevada! Its so fair, you be the first!!!

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  • Mark Jaynes says:

    All over the world people are hurting more than usual. Ignorance and fear are manifesting by way of the extremes of religion and politics. The Burn is a festival of transformation. What is it worth to us who can afford to attend? Is there a limit to all the other unjust things in the world we have to accept in one way or another, without boycotting, or responding? Sure, it’s a brazen asinine grab for monies unattached to any service or benefit rendered, but on the balance, on a world scale of unjust acts, is this such a deal killer that I for one would consider not going and instead continue on with what I’ve gained from the Burns and focus on transformation of myself and world, by confronting the unsuspecting public with the Ten Principles? It’s kind of amusing to experience how people react to that, and the opportunities are absolutely endless. Otherwise, I would pay the damn 9% increase, if I deem my going is still relevant to my development, and my contribution is meaningful to others.

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  • Smiffman says:

    If the tax applies to ticket sales over 7500, why not make each camp a separate event or break up the desert in 7500 sections…that will show them think outside the clock.

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  • Andreas Pleschutznig says:

    While I see Nevada’s wish to “cash in” and get some extra income I am having a difficult time comprehending how Nevada plans to do just that.

    Lets recount the facts here:

    -) The event takes place on federal land
    -) The tickets are being sold by an California organization
    -) The tickets are sold via the internet.
    -) Most of the tickets are sold to non Nevada residents.

    So unless the server for the tickets is physically in Nevada, and thus within the legislative reach of Nevada, exactly how doe Nevada think they are going to attach themselves to that stream on money?

    The way I understand taxation in the US this tax is valid if a ticket is sold to a Nevada resident and nowhere else. Sucks to be a Nevada resident.

    Did I miss something? Did I miss where the state of Nevada is able to attach themselves?

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  • Green Swamp says:

    It is called a “Pain in the Ass Tax” because Burning Man is a huge pain in the ass for them. By taxing ticket sales, the State concedes that Burning Man will not go away, thus they embrace it as best they know how.

    The way to get around it would be to make Burning Man completely free. I bet that never even occurred to Burning Man Inc.

    “Oh how unfair! Nothing in life is free and nobody loves me!”

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    • idea says:

      or just make the whole thing by “suggested donation” then there wouldn’t be all the taxation issues , as technically the tickets are free but we pay the $300.00 suggested donation in exchange for the benefit of a free ticket …

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      • Longhaired Techie says:

        or set tickets at $0.91 (+ $349 infrastructure fee..)

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      • Charlie says:

        This is actually not a bad idea for the lawyers to examine. Airlines have gone to “unbundling” services because the 7.5% excise tax on airline tickets does not apply to ancillary services like bag and reserved seat fees.

        But otherwise, call their bluff, take a “break” and not do 2016. It would be a great opportunity for folks to explore some of the other amazing experiences in this world!

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  • laguna_b says:

    I am virtually certain that BMORG is smart enough to explore options for other venues. If it was the first thing in our minds they likely thought of it as well.I would prefer California but I suspect the EIR required would take a lot of time. Virtually any place else would cost more for transport than teh tax but then I don’t like to feed greed….just another reason to take a second year off….

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  • Fiver says:

    I think its obvious we just need to start marketing Burning Man as the worlds largest boxing match and then we are exempt.

    Get two no-name boxers that no real boxing fan would ever pay to see and have them duke it out by the trash fence on Tuesday at 4am. The burn is now a boxing event, and the tax goes away.

    Those BLM trucks are racing around the perimeter fence all day all night anyway, we could probably claim the burn is a NASCAR race also for added tax safety.

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  • Jessica says:

    Let’s gift some tickets to the Nevada Nascar home team. ( had no idea there was a Nascar home team lol) They can race art cars and that way BM can be exempt from this silly tax! Love to all ♡☆♡♡

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  • Robin Greco says:

    I say cancel it for 2016 while seeking another venue and/or resolving this issue. Let Nevada feel the loss in its wallet. It greed has gone too far.

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  • roissy says:

    The other workaround, sell the tickets as scheduled and collect the 9% tax. Place the “tax money” into an escrow account. If BM loses the case, pay the tax, if the tax is judged as invalid, use the collected money for future art projects. (or pay the overworked staff a bonus…)

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  • Dane says:

    As someone with no dog in the fight, I would encourage you to take a serious look at New Mexico. As one of the lowest income states in the country, with a state government that values individual freedom, I bet they would welcome BM with open arms without punitive taxes.

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  • Mark Yates says:

    If Nevada absolutely, refuses to retract the tax; I would suggest just moving the location, before paying a penny of said Tax…
    In that way, you will also send out a clear message, to Nevada, and everybody else in the future (that would provide BM the space) that BM will not be “Held Hostage” “Manipulated” or “Exploited”….
    As far as “The Burners” being so attached to “Black Rock” …. Change, is the one Constant in life, and should be Embraced… Resistance, to Impermanence, Causes Suffering…..

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  • John Smith says:

    I’d look at profits from last year and previous years. If the org is doing well, it could easily eat the 9%.

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    • What the What says:

      From the language of the law, it sounds like the org isn’t allowed to eat the costs. It’s required to charge ticket buyers. It could certainly lower ticket prices so that even with a 9% tax total costs are stable or only go up slightly – but that seems like an unlikely choice.

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  • Gerflash says:

    “Voting with our feet” is a time-honored method to get the attention of money-grubbing legislators around the world. Utah, California, Oregon, etc., etc. See ya, NV!

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  • Dr Galaxo Magic says:

    If they don’t retract the tax, cancel the event for 2016. We have regionals…

    Look to other states. Oregon has a lot of land just north of the Black Rock Desert. New Mexico could work.

    Make Nevada legislature unhappy by giving them NO MONEY in 2016. It is the only way to make them understand the Cash Cow could walk.

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  • Leo says:

    Time to move on and find a new location. Plenty of wide open spaces in SE Oregon, not that far from the Black Rock Desert. Lakeview OR is the jumping off point to the vastness of the least populated area of the lower 48. New Mexico and Arizona might be great alternate locations too!

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  • lifeisshort says:

    Add 9% to the cost of the ticket and be done with this nonsense… Whether we like it or not most people will still pay a 9% increase… Lets consider 2015, tickets sold out in 2 hours (main ticket sale). Thus, demand well out paces supply. Those that have issues will choose not to go, but as fast as one person decide not to, someone else will snap the ticket up without missing a beat.

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  • Kat Duncan says:

    A friend and I were just checking out coming to Burning Man from the UK – first time I have looked at it. Good on for you standing up for this!! This would never happen here and I strongly hope you win. If you don’t then relocate – surely the entire point is standing your own ground in matters of the heart and freedom from capitalist values which we are all entrapped in. All the people who the festival truly means something to, will follow you there!

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    • Dudley says:

      Kat, as a fellow Brit who made the journey for 2015, I would say do everything you can to be there, it is like nothing else we have a chance to experience at home, and something I will never forget.

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  • dragnet says:

    another vote here, lets shut it down for one year …..then the person(s) who proposed the legislation can explain to the state about 50 million in lost revenue…….please stream that apology to us all when they step up to the podium….

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  • Jethro says:

    Absorb the tax and look for an alternative location for next year.
    Move on, times a wastin!

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  • lifeisshort says:

    “Cancel the Event” Bhahahaha… OH that good! Say it AGAIN… You guys make me laugh!!!! There is no way in HELL these New Money, ex hippie, San Franciscan Board members, are ever going to pass on the the Dollars this event rakes in ….NOt even for one year!

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    • Skeptic says:

      While your attitude kinda sucks..there a core of truth to it. I could handle a one year break.. especially financially. Take a year to look at other locations and give the butt-wipes in NV time to do some sucking up to BM. ( I KNEW this whole thing was going to happen when ‘the new sheriff in town’ came on scene with his barney fife one bullet attitude)

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      • lifeisshort says:

        Skeptic, I was just being a smart ass and my post could have done without the name calling. But being a realist, I really don’t think taking a year off will ever truly be on the table.

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  • Mark says:

    How about having a low admission fee, like $40 that gets taxed and then adding a “resort fee” for $340 on top of that?

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  • Skeptic says:

    How bout making our tickets FREE to anyone who donates $400 to the non-profit artists fund” PBS gets away with this…

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  • KBayKid says:

    So let’s sell the BM event as a boxing match. We’ve already got the Thunder Dome venue.

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  • Keith says:

    I never attended Burning Man but has always been on my bucket list and I live in Colorado. I think all options should be looked at, I do like the idea of looking at alternative states and get the states into a bidding war to have BM, no different then towns bid to have RAGBRI bicycle event come through there town. BM is a cash cow and don’t let anyone say its not. Think it would be great if it did move to other states, this is a world renown event and let others not to have to travel so far and others might have to travel further. I do like the idea of New Mexico, just seems right, look at the people of Taos or Santa Fe, earth ships and UFOs, Sounds like the perfect place for BM. What do you think?

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  • Suicidal says:

    Just another rock in the road that Burningman will kick out of the way and carry on. No matter what, BRC will survive. No worries! Relax.

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  • Mr. Bong says:

    Nevada isn’t the only state with dry lake beds. How hard would it be to plan a move to the lake-beds in Southern California or Utah for a year to see how things shake out?

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    • Dogknee says:

      It would never work in Cali. OSHA would have to be involved for all of the artwork, structures, infrastructures, etc. Cali is way to much of a nanny state. We couldn’t fathom somebody getting hurt, insulted, and someone might be called racist. It’s not a “Green” event.
      Talk about taxing..they’re running businesses out of the state due to excessive taxes and fees.
      Cali is a poor choice.
      Don’t get me wrong, I love Cali. Born and raised and still here 55 years later.

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  • Dr Professor says:

    How about we use free enterprise to solve the problem. If burning man was moved North East about 12 miles it could be in Humbolt county. There is still beautiful playa so the feel of the event would not change. Also I believe this is still BLM Land. This would not preclude the tax as its a Nevada state tax, but the fact that burning man could choose between 2 counties could allow it to possibly cause a bidding war between the counties for the 50 Million dollars spent. If the state raises the taxes, but Humbolt county wants the money maybe they could give the burners a break by at least the amount of the tax increase. Then if there are future issues, burning man just moves to which ever county is best for them for the year. This is a system that is used in the world today to get people like farmers the best price, let us use it as well.

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  • John says:

    To you idiots saying “cancel Burning Man 2016” or “Boycott anything Nevada”, stay the F at home. You’re not a burner.

    To you trolls that say to move it to Utah…WTF would they go to the worst start in the country? Ya think Mormons would like us? LMFAO. Basically any state you go to on the western side of the US, you will deal with the thugs of the BLM and their shady tactics.

    Bottom line, Burning Man will stay here in Nevada at Black Rock City. Logistically, it would be near impossible to move BM to another state with all the stuff BM has located in Nevada.

    BM won’t eat the 9% tax but us burners will. Add it to our tix and move on if BM can’t get a loophole to jump through. Oh well. Go and have fun or boycott and stay the F at home.

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  • IFellFromTheSky says:

    Joseph says: December 11, 2015 at 9:23 pm
    We can always move the event to the desert in Mexico with the shamans there. Don’t think meixco would mind,and eh guess what there is no tax in meixco.

    LAME IDEA…too many of us would get robbed and killed on the way there , forget messco…really now.

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  • Shawn says:

    The “live entertainment” is provided by theme camps. So this 9% tax should be applied to the tickets that the theme camps sell… BMORG provides none of the entertainment and of course the theme camps don’t sell tickets… so this tax doesn’t apply, right?

    LOGIC! BOOM!!

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  • Barbara says:

    Time to really start moving on finding BM a permanent site of its own.

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  • Smores says:

    There is no point in moving to a new location because after a year or two they will start doing the same things. It is time to take a year maybe not this year and if not then tell everyone that next year 2017 will be taken off until a long term solution is found. With a year off it with give the people who will lose money think about what they want the state to do for the future. There is no real reason to year to year with someone coming up with a new plan to make us pay more.

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  • Pat Man says:

    If the majority of participants are “Home Team” or Nevada, we should be exempt from the tax as well.

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  • Mike Shepherd says:

    Sad to say, we should hire legal representation specific to entertainment industry taxation and prepare to move to another location in a state that will appreciate the financial benefits more. Boeing. Ford, and many major economic organizations regularly negotiate tax benefits with hosting locations. Its now true for us also.

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  • Watcher says:

    I was born on Labor Day, BM has become my way of celebrating the passage of another year. This coming year I’ll be turning 65 on Sept. 3 which happens to be Saturday, I can’t think of a place I would rather be that day and especially that night than on the playa providing I can get a couple of tickets. I’m guessing everything will work out and I’ll see you all there. Just an added thought I live in Oregon in the Columbia River Gorge I travel by Summer Lake on my way to Black Rock City that area is so similar to the Black Rock Desert and I always think why not have the event here it would save me a couple of hundred miles. One other benefit would be the fact that Oregon has legalized the use of recreational marijuana, not that I’m a big pot smoker but just think about the multitude of bars and dens of iniquity that could have new and creative products for all to enjoy. OK just adding my 2 cents I can’t imagine the logistics of moving an event like Burning Man. Best of luck to all of us.

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  • Great reading ALL of above comments & opinions. Just my two cents from a Burner who’s been coming out since 2005, along with my girlfriends…our first tickets were something like $80, we’ve seen them go up to $390 AND a “vehicle pass” costing an additional $50 bucks ( we GET the “carbon footprint” thing but tell that to the Giant-RV rich folks, when some of us NEED to come out & TENT-camp, in our individual SMALL cars.) Well, we ate the rising ticket prices and we coughed up the $50 “vehicle pass”. We all go thru the angst of even GETTING tickets, these years…the “general sale” of tickets doesn’t sell out in two hours (“hello, one of the above commentators”), it sells out in something like 16 MINUTES. Leaving some of us who have supported, —and been GOOD Burners out there— to …eat dust. Don’t care WHAT the “actual” percentage figures are @ “virgins”, there are LOTS of us burner veterans who want to come out EVERY year. Backbones of the smaller camps, may I add, with plenty of beer, food, & CHATTING to share…maybe not grand THEME Camps but do our part to make it the “real!” experience Y’ALL tout it to be. ! …WE will still TRY to secure tickets…we also can do basic arithmetic (even if we’re not ALL college gradu-ATES) and we can figure out a NINE-percent tax to the tickets. (Where the hell DID some of the above folks come up with SEVEN %…?!? Maybe some don’t live in Nevada and/or read the local paper, the RGJ…?) A lot of us die-hard, dyed-in-the-wool, REAL burners will cough up the extra 9% for their greedy “tax”….just please, BMORG, don’t make it closer to twenty or FIFTY percent ‘cuz of YOUR annual greed?? A damn shame if this most wonderful of festivals of true artists goes up in flames over…greedy assholes.
    As for moving it to the open areas of, say, Utah…you can’t even walk into a convenience store there and buy a BEER. (I know ‘cuz I’ve TRIED. Got relatives there. Trust me, Utah does NOT want Burning Man).
    …As I said, just MY 2-cent’s worth. Scoff if you want but you may have enjoyed shade & a cold beer & fun conversation out there at Camp GILF…. a sincerely caring burner, Jody M.

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    • Dana says:

      Joan, I live in Utah, I honestly don’t know your experience of trying to buy a beer in a convenience store… I can buy beer in the convenience stores in my community until 12am, but it also can depend on the local ordinances…

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  • bernard t Surprenant says:

    How about having BurningMan in Saskatchewan Canada Southern Saskatchewan has lots of wide open land there in the South and often some large tracts of land are offered for sale BurningMan should really take place on its own land not be a renter dependent on Permits,,,, All us Burners instead of buying those high priced tickets should simply put are money together and buy the land we camp on,, would not be more than a ticket to buy the land together

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    • Jason says:

      Crossing the Canadian or Mexican border would be a nightmare for most US Burners. I usually travel with 3 other people in a truck and trailer. Unloading and loading said trailer would take hours both ways.

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  • Bryan Mcgill says:

    i truly believe if a bunch of the people would come out and feel what burning mans about they would work a lot harder to keep in it Nevada but to me talking the year off is not always the best thing but we all need to stay for this to be fair and honest the other thing is Utah would be a clam fun place as well Nevada does not want it we can think of other places

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  • Burning Man says “These amendments (SB266) levy a 9% tax on the admission charge to an event held in a facility where “live entertainment” is provided.”

    Can anyone show me a “facility” where Burning Man provides live entertainment? BLM land is not a facility in any legal or dictionary sense. If the law includes the word “facility”, then I would eliminate live music from the cafe and file for declaratory judgement on the grounds that 1) there is no “facility providing live entertainment” supported by ticket sales whatsoever at this event, and 2) the event is not even held in or at a facility in any event, so on the obvious facts of both 1 and 2, the law cannot possibly apply.

    I’d sure sue first, and then chit chat with the greedy politicians later. Our legal process is all about semantic technicalities so lets find some!

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  • Danny says:

    I wonder if BurningMan.org can start making it standard practice every year that they publicly explore 2 locations in different states. So instead of one state price-gouging us, we would have 2 states competing for our event.

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  • Jim Wolff says:

    I have gone to BM 7 times since 2007 and love it. But perhaps a change of location would be a good thing to consider but we have to be careful what we wish for. It would certainly be nice to have a place where the infrastructure i.e. roads could get people in and out more efficiently. Would not want a change in location to hurt the culture we all share.

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  • James Bgood says:

    Let’s take a look at some event history. Moving the event was seriously looked into for the 1997 event due to the first serious requirements by BLM – law enforcement, public health (large scale event porta-potty requirements by State Health), and in-state professional medical services. While the Black Rock Desert Playa is mostly YOUR public land, anytime an event occurs on public land, organized, commercial, competitive (high altitude rocket competition, OHV races, horse endurance, Burning Man), etc, a special recreation permit is usually issued. It seemed in those days like BLM requirements were insurmountable (they pale in comparison to now). Surrounding counties with wonderful BLM-managed public lands playas didn’t want us. It seemed unfeasible to relocate to other states. Hard looking was done but seemingly to no avail. The solution seemed to be to move to the private property in the next county over, Washoe, on Hualapi Flat. That turned out to be a nightmare, trying to work with Washoe County (avoid Washoe County at all costs). BLM turned out to be far better and also they eased up with Burning Man due to a non-typical recreation person BLM actually assigned to the Playa for different reasons – not just Burning Man (but he introduced us to Leave No Trace and provided wonderful training – although conjectural, that guy at that time may have actually saved Burning Man: BLM and Burning Man teamed up and the first comprehensive environmental assessment was prepared to determine if the Black Rock Desert Playa was in fact suitable for the event – it was determined to be, providing Burning Man became a much better public lands steward – I recall, that’s when we really started in on Leave No Trace. But maybe with Nevada’s unreasonable tax issue (it’s one of the richest states, if not the richest, in the nation), maybe a move is warranted. Actually not far north of the Playa – on BLM-managed public land and also state and private, is Idaho and Oregon, with some pretty good playas and access. Maybe now, those two states and their southern counties might be interested. Oregon would be cool.

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  • James Bgood says:

    BLM-managed public land is not a facility. Period. It’s your public land – stand by your public land. The southern Nevadan politicians are behind this and may or may not have a clue about Burning Man. But they do know about BLM- and Forest-managed public land. You can have facilities on public land, but public land in itself, in no way, shape or form, is a facility.

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  • Charlie says:

    I heard there was a group called “Burners without Borders”.

    Seems like Nevada has a border :):)

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  • mournlight says:

    The event is too large to move.
    -Large amounts of infrastructure are stored nearby
    -Relationships exist that provide services which are not available elsewhere
    -Gerlach depends upon the event
    -It is a great value for those who stay the entire time at less than $50/day. Even if you factor in the food you bring, that cost is cheaper than if you were buying food at other events.
    -Relationships, love ’em or not, have been built with law enforcement, medical providers, etc.
    It would be interesting to find out what, exactly, they want the additional money for and see if we can provide it to them cheaper and better.
    I would continue to come even if the price goes up. It is still a great value.
    If they do impose a tax (and maybe we can sway it to be less) then there will no longer be a fear of getting permits each year. Once they get the money, they will want it every year, and you can be they will want the event to grow so they get more money.
    I am not opposed to us “fighting”the tax, esp if it is not applied fairly. I think it should apply to boxers, racers, etc. There is a “fairness” component.
    I travel from the southeast for the event, so I don’t want it moved even further away.
    The flats in Utah would not be suitable for camping. Go check it out. Your skin would be damaged if you wallowed in that all week without a shower.
    Peace to all.

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  • Dr. Professor says:

    If we are going to pour that much money into a local economy, why not give it to the Pyramid lake indian reservation. I don’t know the law, but this land is run by the Paiute nation. I won’t pretend to understand what jurisdiction the federal and state governments have on that land or how the Paiute nation would feel about having burning man on their land, but There is a great piece of playa just north of Pyramid lake on the reservation that can be accessed by Hwy 446/445 instead of the current Hwy 447 that we use now. I personally would feel really good about burning man if I knew the money was going to this tribe instead of the local governments.

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  • CapnJoe says:

    Well, looks like the tickets will be about $430 this year!

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  • Load says:

    I called these numbers and let them know my family won’t spend money in Nevada. Please call them too.
    the Nevada Department of Taxation at (775) 684-2020 and the bill’s sponsor, Nevada State Senator Mark Lipparelli at (775) 684-1475.

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  • Load says:

    Don’t forget to call the Nevada govenor and Reno mayor

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  • Valentine says:

    I used to have an apartment that I really liked, and every year, they would raise the rent. Eventually, it was so expensive I had to leave, and it broke my heart. After a long search, I found an apartment and eventually fell in love in it. I live there today, and I am happy that I didn’t allow my old landlord to extort me by using my emotional attachment against me.

    Burning man is an idea. The Black Rock Desert is a beautiful place and I have many life-changing memories from my time with our wonderful community. But all things must change and grow. Maybe it is time for us to move on and find another great place to explore this idea and make new memories.

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  • Gobo says:

    I think the best idea I’ve read so far is to use all the money that gets poured into BLM and other permits and buy private land as a permanent home somewhere nearby but outside of Nevada, like southern Oregon. Infrastructure could be stored there year-round, and it could even have a permanent presence year round.
    Each year that I attend BM, I feel less and less welcomed by the local authorities, especially after reading a quote from one of the sheriffs saying that it’s his mission to fine and bust as many burners as possible as they drive through his county. It’s time to move to a location where we will be welcomed and our energies can go into growing this amazing community as it continues to spread models of its values throughout the world, instead putting far too much time and energy into fighting NV politicians and law enforcement.

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  • Dan Miller says:

    When you buy your ticket to burning man, is it to pay for entertainment?

    There are no major entertainers that the event hires or bills, they provide a small stage at the center camp cafe that is for volunteer performers whom also buy tickets, they provide seed honorarium money for some art installations, they provide the man sculpture and base that is burned as a ritual ceremony bonfire, they provide a camping city infrastructure, porta-potties, emergency services and policing.

    The event is described on this website as: “A city in the desert. A culture of possibility. A network of dreamers and doers.” And on the wikipedia site: “Burning Man is an annual gathering that takes place at Black Rock City—a temporary community erected in the Black Rock Desert in Nevada. The event is described as an experiment in community and art…” There is no mention, or promotion that your ticket buys you entertainment.

    The bottom line is people buy a ticket to burning man as a camping fee for the privilege of participating… to gift, entertain, educate, stimulate, or not… one another.

    If this tax is aimed at the purchasing of “entertainment” then burning man does not fit that bill.

    If the tax is for attending a large, financially successful event, then it does… as would nascar races and high stakes boxing matches. Though burning man is a nonprofit, volunteer organization that promotes civic art and humanitarian aid and services, worldwide…

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    • Dan Miller says:

      You pay to get into burning man/black rock city, once inside everything is free/gifted, you can buy coffee and ice, not entertainment. Any entertainment you happen upon in black rock city is not paid for from your ticket purchase.

      I pay a bridge toll to get into San Francisco, if I happen to find a free concert in Golden Gate park, that would be exactly the same as finding a concert in black rock city.

      The equivalent of adding an entertainment tax to my bridge toll to enter San Francisco seems to be what is being proposed here.

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  • Doctoriknow says:

    I’ve been 17 times now, and although the philosophy, organizational structure and politics of the organization have little to do with my choices and methods of involvement, I have been aware of them, and have great respect for those making BM happen.

    Watching it grow to a monster in size and philosophy (the 10 principles are still rather new for us old timers) I became concerned a decade ago that freedom/possibility of change was being put to the back burner as the demands for more infrastructure, more full and part time employees, more volunteers, more governmental problems, major population/ticket problems, turned the event into something like the banks a few years ago: “too big to fail.” (Indeed, a common thought in this thread is that the event is too big to move, vital to participants to have it happen, and that a year off is impossible.)

    However, my long time pessimistic thinking that the organization had become so immersed in running this show that they were slaves to it (ie: no freedom) was turned to optimism when the Regionals were created. I figured that the organization had NOT forgotten their own roots in the organic progression of the business (it certainly wasn’t a business for quite a few years) and not only understood the Regionals would provide incredible personal growth for those making them happen and those participating, but also would provide an escape hatch for the SanFrancisco organization to let go of the entire monster on the playa.

    But, alas, the “originals” did sorta let go, sorta sold it, sorta bowed out, and now “it” marches on, and maybe there is no “escape” built into any philosophy or business plan.

    I’d like to think how the organization and everyone who’s ever been would think it not a bad idea to put it all on hold and to take a year off. A sabbatical! Why not sell “One Year Off Tickets” with proceeds going to maintaining office space, partial wages for full time staff, keeping storage space, retaining volunteer system? I’d buy that ticket, as where would my life be now without what’s happened to me with Burning Man in my life? Thank you everyone who made it/makes it happen out in that totally weird and wonderful playa!

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  • John Clark says:

    Coachella fest had a similar problem with Indio, that would have added $18 to the ticket price. A recent announcement on the issue seems to be that the city of Indio and the event promoters have come to some agreement of about $5 per ticket going to the the city.

    However, in this case it is the state and not the town of Gerlach that is the ‘taxing’ entity…

    One thing about ‘moving’… because of the association of Burning Man with ‘drugs, sex, and rock-n-roll’… despite the event being one of the most heavily police patrolled events I’ve attended… that ‘negative’ attribute would probably preclude such states as Utah, that is always polishing it’s political nob on its moral fiber.

    And of course California is tax hell already… and tending to moral prudery as well.

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  • michael says:

    What great idea, screw Nevada and moved it somewhere else..

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  • Sir Badger of the Elm says:

    There is lots of open desert in West Texas and maybe only one cop per county lol. Also very few taxes. We do have a lot of dumb asses though so take the good with the bad …and the ugly.

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  • Beef Pies says:

    How much longer is Burning Man going to bend over and let the state of Nevada have its way with us? This is ridiculous. Nevada, and the counties in the Black Rock Desert area have been reaping massive profits from our event for a long time now, but they continue to try to devise ways to suck more revenue from us. This naked greed is anathema to the Ten Principles, and ought to have been an impetus for the BMOrg to begin seeking a new venue for the event years ago. But they see us as patsies, and so they not only happily accept our money as we travel to and from the event, but arrest Burners and levy insanely exorbitant fines on us for even the slightest of minor offenses. The time has come to leave Nevada and its backward-thinking government behind. Yes, the Black Rock Desert is an amazing setting. Yes, we are all very used to attending our event there. But WE are the ones who make Burning Man magical. And we can make our magic and have just as rewarding an experience in some other location.

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  • Mercedes Witty says:

    As someone who lives in Reno, NV and has gone to this event for seven years, this event literally pours more money than I can imagine into our area…. The event is getting more and more costly to go to, more and more rules from the local authorities, more and more attempts to strip away at the freedom of expression that is Burning Man, more and more costs and demand. I only have to drive to the Black Rock Desert. I am not flying here from Europe, etc. Burning Man is a temporary community and while it is awesome in the Black Rock Desert, other playa and salt flats would work just as well, so keep annoying the Burning Man event, and due to their self sufficiency and resourcefulness, they could move it to another less harassing location in another state. This would suck for me but I definitely would understand why. .

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  • RenoBasquo says:

    I’d like to point out that this is a wonderful diversionary tactic to make the State of Nevada take the heat for crazy ticket prices. If all inclusive tickets were $200 again, nobody would flinch at a $14 tax.

    Since we know that the BM board is made of 1%’ers, it’s not surprising that this is happening at all. Has this been the plan to end BM since the buyout.

    If it moves, it should go back to the beach in SF where it all started. Sell tickets for $5M each and let it be the elitist party it’s morphing into. It BM leaves the playa, it will die. Its not about being a party in the desert, it’s about the Playa experience.

    Know thy enemy my friends. You’re being manipulated.

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  • Can we just hold a boxing match each day? – Boxing matches with the best tailgating ever.

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  • Neil Williamson says:

    I travel out west extensively each year and there are PLENTY of wide open spaces in states that may actually WELCOME Burning Man; time to look at a move. Maybe one of the Native American nations would welcome the business.

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  • Mimi says:

    If you can prove that this law doesn’t apply to Burning Man, they’ll just pass a new law that does. Time to move.

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  • Otter says:

    I agree with many that something needs to be done; either the event needs to move or there needs to be a more vocal representation of the event and its participants legislatively, however I have to guard against those calling for a boycott. The first reason is that I don’t think it would work – there are so many people scrambling for tickets when sales open that those calling for a boycott would be lost in a quiet shuffle while others buy the tickets they would have bought. The second reason is that I would never want anyone to miss out on what this experiment in civilization offers – last year was my virgin year and it changed me; it made me say yes, jump in, offered wonderful friendships and experiences and emotions, made me cry harder than I ever have and love more. Like so many others my time on the playa was life-altering and almost immediately upon setting foot in the dust I knew I was a burner for life. This is where I belong and where I know I’ll find my family – those who would love me and welcome me year after year. I could never participate in taking the first chance, last chance, or only chance of anyone else from feeling what I felt. I think there needs to be something at a grassroots level directed to the administrators of Burning Man as well as to Nevada and Pershing County, but I for one will skip a meal or two or maybe not buy a new pair of boots for next year in order to afford the 2016 increase, all while working in whatever way I can to combat the unfairness and greed being exhibited here, but I cannot support a boycott and potentially be responsible for taking away the dreams and joys of so many, knowing 2016 could be their first year or their last…

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  • JV says:

    Lots of venting and half-baked ideas, which is understandable. What will happen is ticket prices go up and the event sells out in minutes because it will still be a great deal for a week-long vacation. Same ol same ol.

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  • Sasha Eisele says:

    Greetings from a hopeful virgin…I wanted to add my thoughts here after seeing many newcomers post opposition to taking a year off or changing the venue to take a stand against the proposed tax. My partner and I planned our first burn as part of a post wedding journey this coming summer. It is a disappointment to consider postponing and absolutely for the greater good of the order. WE wholeheartedly support taking a stand, a $50M stand to demonstrate the positive impact of Black Rock City on Nevada without additional taxation.

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  • Alice says:

    Everyone chill out. If you can afford it, then pay whatever it takes to go. If you can’t afford it, then apply for low income tickets or do a car wash or something. Bake cookies and sell them. Stop drinking coffee and/or booze, or quit cigarettes and put the money in a savings account instead. (I’m being rude, I guess, but really, it’s still not out of the reach of those who really want to go). This will be my 8th year in a row, and I’d sell my blood (literally) in order to attend. Start getting creative now, you still have 8 months left….

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  • Ziganne says:

    So, in the spirit of inclusiveness, Burning Man could simply add boxing and NASCAR. I’d love to see their spin on it–naked boxing and mutant car races.

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  • Scout says:

    I would agree that a buy nothing in Nevada year would serve them well.

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  • Eagle says:

    People, Its 9%. On a $400 ticket its only $36. Pay it, move on. Nevada needs the money. Have you ever seen their rest stops, cell phone service, etc.? Stop throwing around the 50 million to the local economy. 50,000 people don’t each pay $1,000 to the local economy. I paid $30 in gas and $20 to Walmart.

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  • dbiznich says:

    I know this is kind of a far stretch, but has anyone considered wording it as a “religious gathering”? Religion has a really broad range in the legal system.

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  • Not-a-corporate stooge says:

    There are lot’s of live entertainment events with >7500, so Burning Man is just one of many. The unjust part is the exemption given to those special corporate interests (boxing, NASCAR, etc) and now everyone here is trying to get the same special treatment. You are all no better than those corporate lobbyists.

    The only just solutions are to eliminate exemptions for everyone (NASCAR, etc) or to do away with the entire law. Special treatment for NASCAR, Burning Man, or anyone is unfair.

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    • yuppers says:

      7500 people is far too low a threshold to be targeting BM specifically. Basically every concert, festival, and other kind of event will be subject to this tax. World doesn’t revolve around Burners!

      Accept or reject the tax fully. Don’t ask for an exemption like a special interest group. Disgusting

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  • Ted Chu says:

    Enough is enough. If it isn’t BLM then it’s the county sheriff or now the Nevada legislature. Several years ago when BLM was being a pain in the ass didn’t one of the Indian reservations invite BM to go there? Why not? There also is a big ranch for sale just to the north which could be bought with the $millions from ticket sales. I’m sure there are other properties available around the west. Frankly until Bundy et al are brought to justice BM should not pay the BLM a penny more.

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  • Ecilasam says:

    I will read from France. My flight landed on my bedside table (the lowest prices were in September). After saving for tickets we put everything in place to have money to pay our first burning man. It was 20 years ago when I met my husband, we said “one day we will be burneurs” I was at the time in the school of fine arts. The time passed, three children and husband always the same !!! And even common dreams … and it is out of question, so there are still some steps to be facing (BM pay and get ticket, pay the nanny to the children, and the price of the organization Place), that people put laws that prevent me to live my Baptism.
    Otherwise you will have to move the BM in my garden … Hi hi …

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  • Ecilasam says:

    Sorry my English is very bad …
    And I pressed
    The how has-been reported.
    by mistake

    oups…

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  • hogwartsandall says:

    BMorg wants the same special interest exemption as boxing and Nascar? It’s no better than those other corporations. A lot of other events are subject to this tax. We should help get it repealed for all those events, not just get a special exception for ourselves and leave those others to pay.

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  • Water Bee says:

    Guys, BM doesn’t qualify for this tax for 2 reasons:
    1. Live entertainment is not “provided”. (It’s participant-generated.)
    2. BM 2016 will actually be 11 or 12 different events of less than 7500 people. They’re just really, really close together.

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  • Amburnator says:

    Burning Man already pays a lot in various tax’s and permits to have the festival there. I agree with everyone who suggested moving location, and I agree with everything ‘Water Bee’ said.
    I would like to add- perhaps on the official website, in case we do end up getting this tax and having it in the same spot, perhaps we could all group together to purchase our provisions outside of Nevada. I know I will anyways reading all this. Move the pre and after parties to California or something.
    Also, (we shouldn’t be shopping at the Walmart corporation- it destroy’s livelihoods)
    <3

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  • bec says:

    Myself and my friend have booked flights and camper already and we are coming all the way from the UK.

    I really hope BM doesnt change the venue :( we will loose $2000 each.

    Peace

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  • Christine Logan says:

    Please can someone help me, my husband has stage 4 prostate cancer in his bone, he told me the his wish is to go to burning man. I don’t know how to start this for him. I need 5 tickets one for my husband and 4 for his helpers. I can get doctors letters and anything I need. But some one out there might be able to set me on the right path. Thank you. Chris Logan

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    • woodland princess says:

      I too have income/health issues, so my income is very low. The ticket price is too high as it is. even with a low income ticket, hard to afford to travel so far. I watched a lot on line last year and that was great fun. I may never go and glad that i can see it on line.

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  • Serge says:

    In the midst of all the comments, some constructive, some simply injurious and stupids, it seems that we all need to stand together and perhaps provide support to the BM organization in their fight against this unfair and unjustified taxation without representation. As we all know, over the years Burning Man has become a victim of its own success and greed is a huge part of it, not counting the increased presence of “law enforcement” that has been questionable. It is difficult to change direction with so little time before the next burn and perhaps pressuring the lawmakers in Nevada as well as presenting a legal challenge to this one-sided law is the best place to start fighting. It sure is better than insult each others in meaningless comments.

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  • Simba says:

    Unfortunately I believe we as burners will have to pay the difference this year. I also believe the incredible BM staff and organizers will find a simple solution that will allow us to keep our playa with its incredible energy and history. Who knows they might have already figured out a loophole or two around it, and they are waiting to roll out the new plan until they have spoken to the appropriate people and verified what exactly is happening.

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  • Sheevman says:

    I missed last year burningman: I will not miss it again.
    There’s Always someone to make it work, and let the Big Kahunas figure it out!!!

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    • Otter says:

      Thank you for this! Although I agree it all needs to be ironed out I don’t think any one of us has the right to move for a hiatus – I could never think of supporting this and taking away someone’s chance to have a life-altering time they way I have…

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  • dangerf says:

    Call it off this year. A year off would gain so much momentum for the next year to come, it would be colossal. Move the party. Find burning man a new home. It’s been done before.

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  • Jeffr says:

    Move it to Canada, We have some great spots in southern Alberta, NO provincial sales tax and with the Canadian Dollar at only about 70¢ your getting a great bang for your (US) buck.

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  • Will Chase says:

    Thanks everybody for the comments, thoughts and ideas. We’re reading and taking notes!

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  • Erin says:

    Have tickets gone on sale then? I’ve never attended and came to this site about 2 months ago and I thought I saw something about tickets being sold out?

    Sry, total noob here.

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  • Frank says:

    Get a millionaire involved with wilderness land to spare, what about Ted Turner?
    It’s not a desert but it’ll do for one time this year. We might be surprised.

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  • Juan Laah says:

    I’m more concerned about the $1.4 million that BMORG spent on food last year.

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  • Liz says:

    Salt flats! Utah would definitely take our money!

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  • Lighthouse says:

    Burning Man is all about change and community. We can move. Make a new theme – Exodus – find somewhere groovy where they don’t hit us up. Like the Atacama Desert, or eastern Oregon, or Utah sure, or Brewster County Texas, wherever. I appreciate that the organizers aren’t just immediately defaulting to the default world’s faults.

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  • Daniel Prater says:

    I don’t understand. Burning Man does not provide entertainment; the ticket holders provide the entertainment. How can the law apply?

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  • John clatk says:

    How about Washington or Colorado with there relaxation of marijuana laws. Just pick state lands not federal.

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  • Alex Pearce says:

    Would love to sign and help spread any online petition fighting/protesting the new state tax. Anything we can do to help.

    Lmk,

    Alex

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  • Silver Cowboy says:

    This is not surprising at all. There has to be drama with tickets every year. This is about more money, either more money for BMORG (was anyone else surprised by the annual salaries reported on the annual financial report? I was!) or more money for State of Nevada. So, given the large salaries paid to the leaders of BMORG, and the funds left from last year, either absorb the cost of the tax or make us pay more money for a ticket, whatever, just do it and let us move on. I have come to accept that for them it is a profession and a cash cow, not a passion like it is for the participants. They don’t impact my personal experience anyway. Save the drama for your mama. Let me start planning to go home! I am buying the higher priced tickets this year to avoid the anxiety of scrambling for a ticket and a vehicle pass in the dysfunctional ticket purchasing fiasco. Whatever BMORG is going to do to me, just do it and let me move on. I have planning to do. Just get on with it.
    Silver Cowboy

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    • Mikey says:

      Every Burning Man volunteer should know that several BMORG employees make $76,000 for 17 hours of work a week. Marion Goodell makes $242,000 for supervising her subordinates that do the work. Larry Harvey Makes over $170,000 for being the spokesperson and visionary who has no real duties. The volunteers do the work and the staff gets paid for supervising the volunteers. Also:
      Our five largest contracts from 2014 are in the Form 990 (because they’re the largest). These are:

      Spectrum (BRC Commissary and food for the BLM): $1,415,645
      United Site Services (BRC Porto-Potties): $1,089,084
      Humboldt General Hospital (BRC Medical): $502,760
      Crystal Ice Company (BRC Ice): $477,770
      Bruno’s (DPW and BLM Housing, Food, and Fuel in Gerlach): $409,947

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  • Paul Grachan says:

    Why don’t we just make Thunderdome a “boxing event” venue and now the whole thing is exempt.

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  • redBone says:

    Pay the tax already you cheap bastards…! I need my tickets man!

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  • So boxing matches are not taxed?

    Could we hire a few Nevada boxers to come out and have some boxing matches? Maybe in Thunderdome?

    Then the event could be a boxing match on paper, no tax levied!

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  • Tophat says:

    The BMorg org needs to “officially” not stage this year.

    Like that would stop you from going? not me.

    Labor day weekend would still see thousands upon thousands of citizens roaming the open playa with no outside support. And guns, just like the Bundy’s.

    Like Fourth of Juplaya, it would all be perfectly legal. It’s Federal land. We all already “own” it.

    A true law enforcement nightmare. If Nevada law enforcement erects a road block somewhere on the 447, then, presto – hey — that’s where the party is!

    “canceling” the burn this year would let up return to our roots, and BM would be better for it.

    -Tophat

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  • Uncle Sam says:

    Awwwwwww that’s cute. People from California and Seattle complaining about taxes and pitching ideas on how to avoid paying them. The irony. Can we call this year’s event the Carnival of Irony?

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  • Stop Creating Problems says:

    It’s a 9% tax. On a $400 ticket, that’s $36 – an afterthought in that price range. Why is this a big deal, and what’s wrong with paying it?

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    • Shazam says:

      $36-$72 (depending on ticket price) could be spent on the ticket and on the theme camp and on art. Theme camps and art are the heart of BM. The tax will go up each year like the ticket prices will go up.

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      • Checkers says:

        And, values.

        BM affords people access to a deep well of the greatest, most beautiful dimensions of being a human among humans. Unfortunately, as the magical allure of this experience increases, so too does the cost of providing the space and infrastructure necessary to support its growing number of participants. Even at current tickets costs, however, too many people are being denied this precious opportunity for reasons of financial hardship.

        Ultimately, BM means different things to different people, but I, for one, refuse to pay even one additional cent to reward greed and elitism in my precious BM life.

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    • Rebecca says:

      It is not about the cost of the tax to most ticket buyers, it is the principle of the matter. The tax is wrong, and it is just another money grab from the state of Nevada.

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  • Otter says:

    arrrggghhhhh – It’s officially mid-January, I wanna know when I can buy my ticket – I want to go home!

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  • Burning Man should be a moveable feast. Let’s not let Nevada cut off the head of the Golden Goose. Let’s lay eggs across America. The premise is convergence & unity, that isn’t limited to a particular place. Let’s start by moving Black Rock City to Monument Valley, Moab or Arches, all in UTAH close by! Next year!
    Peace Love – Sergio
    p.s.
    I’m a real person, here’s proof:
    instagram.
    http://instagram.com/sergiobarrale
    facebook.
    https://www.facebook.com/sergio.barrale

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  • Shazam says:

    any updates on this? Has anyone asked Nevada why Brothels are exempt from the tax? Is it because lawmakers frequent brothels?

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  • Mikey says:

    Every Burning Man volunteer should know that several BMORG employees make $76,000 for 17 hours of work a week. Marion Goodell makes $242,000 for supervising her subordinates that do the work. Larry Harvey Makes over $170,000 for being the spokesperson and visionary who has no real duties. The volunteers do the work and the staff gets paid for supervising the volunteers. Also:
    BM five largest contracts from 2014 that feed BLM for free!
    Spectrum (BRC Commissary and food for the BLM): $1,415,645
    United Site Services (BRC Porto-Potties): $1,089,084
    Humboldt General Hospital (BRC Medical): $502,760
    Crystal Ice Company (BRC Ice): $477,770
    Bruno’s (DPW and BLM Housing, Food, and Fuel in Gerlach): $409,947

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  • deepeche thoughts says:

    If it truly is a “temporary city” and there is spontaneous live entertainment happening within the city limits then let them tax it, 9% of $0.00 admission is $0.00 right? After all each individual event within the city is free correct? Just folks living in their private domiciles within a city, who just happen to have really big sound systems in the living room right? BRC provides no live entertainment.
    And to reiterate –what are they going to do? Try to stop 70,000+ people from just “showing up”? They, The “control/safety mongers” Realize there is no choice but to sell tickets, they literally “have to”. Its the only thing that discourages more than 100,000 or more from showing up. Think about it, no tickets, then no cap on the population of BRC, anybody could just come and thats a huge number of “out of control” pseudo-hippie crazy ass artist type people running around. (Very scary thought, after all what all those crazies realized they had resources and could manage themselves without the help of law enforcement.)

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  • Sea Turtle says:

    This will be my 10th year at )'(. I can not imagine missing the burn. That 1 week helps me deal with the other 51. For alot of us, the burn is a way of life. That said, we have to do something with the location. I live in Reno and will travel anywhere for the burn. Hell we have friends that travel from Holland to be home on the Playa. The ongoing and progressive problems with BLM, local Sheriff depts, and now Nevada legislators, need to be addressed. The vast majority of Nevada residents do not care, but the politicians see money. It is to late to change the location for 2016. We will have to pay the extra amount this year, but start to work on an exemption for next year. We should not have to pay the new tax. If we have to buy a huge ranch, so be it. Let’s do it. We need to stand up to the BLM agents in flak jackets and M16’s walking around like we are 2nd class citizens, and the notion that )'( is the golden goose. Just my thoughts. )'(. Burn Mother Fucker Burn

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  • Checkers says:

    As much as I want to return home for the 5th straight year, my vote is to teach these sleepwalking politicians a lesson. Cancel the burn, and start a crowdfunding campaign to help alleviate the effects of this year’s lost revenue for bmorg.com. I would happily donate $100 to the principles and values for which we stand. You could offer early tickets for a future unconfirmed burn, or a small piece of art, or nothing at all. This is our chance to stand against the greed and exploitation that threaten and undermine so much of what’s beautiful about humanity.

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  • Friedrich and Marion says:

    We plan to participate )'( 2016 coming from Germany. Some events here in Germany changed their location over the years. Cities competed for the events. In most cases a success.

    BRC or anywhere else doesn’t realy bother us. We are on the way (before we are too old :-)

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  • CapnJoe says:

    I knew if I hung around long enough I’d get above average in something. I’ll be 71 this BM if it happens.

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  • nathalie says:

    First time planning on going with the whole family!!
    I would love for it to happen :) this year is the year!! All the best vibes…

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  • MrSparl3z says:

    It would be fascinating to see what happens by taking a year off. What new things would spring up all by themselves? How might/would an event still happen? It’d be an experiment for sure.

    However, I’m sure there’s too much at stake to be experimental these days.

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  • Linda Sand says:

    When an annual gathering we attended was threatened with losing their site the organizers asked attendees to save their receipts for every thing they spent while in town. At the end of the event those receipts were given to local government. Apparently actually seeing the receipts was enough to make it concrete. We kept our site.

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  • cindy says:

    I know there was talk about possibly moving BM to the salt flats in Utah. I think people would follow wherever you land. could be a good option. lots and lots of space and not the skinny narrow roads that people have to navigate with big art pieces. Also, side note, the former raffel was a dissaster for theme camps. it takes a certain number of confirmed tickets for every team member to set up the camp. not a fan. please don’t do it again… we had to set that year out as a result which sucks when you have over a 10,000 camp and not enough bodies to make it function.

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    • Robert X. Planet says:

      UTAH!!! Wow, I can’t wait to attend Burning Man in its new home, a.k.a. Salt Flat City. Only problem is–No alcohol allowed in Utah, and no nudity. And did I mention, no fire allowed, either? Maybe we’ll have to change the name to Collapsing Man.

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  • Martian Sky says:

    It seems they don’t understand that BMORG does NOT make the entertainment. The people who go there just do it. They don’t get paid to play music, spin fire, put up a ferris wheel, drive around with lights on a vehicle they bought and paid for, give away food or drink, fix bikes,… the list goes on and on.
    We pay to go and camp.
    Along the way of doing just that we hang out and make new friends just like if we were out camping or whatnot.
    We the people are just there, playing in the dirt.
    What we deem fun for ourselves my or may not attract people to watch us and or interact with us.

    That is not taxable in my eyes.

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  • Irongrip says:

    A lot of these comments seem to think that if BMorg buys some land then we wouldn’t have to pay the entertainment tax. Not so. It’d be levied whether on public or private land.
    Not that I’m against buying some permanent land. What would be eliminated would be the exorbitant moneys charged by BLM and all the other law enforcement agencies. On private land, you wouldn’t need ’em and could exclude them .
    But, I really favor trying to negotiate with the Indian reservation just south of Gerlach to hold B/M there. Then our fees would be doing some immediate good, and we wouldn’t even have to pay the Nevada ‘entertainment’ tax since the Indian reservation is not within Nevada jurisdiction.

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  • super mario says:

    move it to the polo fields at coachella

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  • InBurnWeTrust says:

    Incorporate Burning Man as a Non Profit in the state of Nevada, issue and sell a limited number of non stock shares to Burners to be used as tickets.

    Call the burning man event a share holders Meeting.
    Entry to the “Burning Man Shareholders Meeting” only with a Burning Man Stock Certificate.

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  • SmartBurn says:

    Burning Man Stock –

    “Every contributor owns a piece of burning man”

    and the ” Shareholders ” meeting at Black Rock would is an incredible event.

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  • E-Lye says:

    Simple, drop the cost of the Burning Man 2016 entrance tickets to $20.00.
    Make these tickets available to BM2016 members only and charge $370.00 for one year membership.
    Everyone wins. We hold the cost of the event to what it was last year, and The State of Nevada gets there 5% or 9% on the $20.00 entrance ticket as they seem to think their entitled to. Everyone is HAPPY

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  • John says:

    Move it to Sturgis with the bike rally. It’s beautiful there and bikers are a really fun bunch!

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  • Kagan Simsek says:

    Just add the tax amount to ticket prices. Burners waiting to pay $400, shouldn’t care about a few extra bucks .. Burning man stock and membership are also good ideas.

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  • Arif says:

    Hey everyone! Are there no updates for ticket sales yet?

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  • BM impact says:

    From an academic perspective, the destruction done to desert life by all BM performances (post, you know, beach performances on the CA coast) is irreversible. The NV initiatives have preservation at their heart (it’s not the GOP that sponsored those bills), and the damage is already done. When you take a step on cryptobiotic soil, you do about a century’s worth of damage. So, when BM tells you they picked up their trash, that’s great!! The fact that they picked up their trash means that they did merely a century’s worth of damage…not a millennium. I like rave music and hot chicks too. I’d rather have hot chicks than desert groth, so bring on the BM!!!!

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  • Mother Earth says:

    Add on the taxes, the more the merrier.

    “Radical Inclusion” was a good idea until it wasn’t. Certainly the founders of BM understood that placing a ton of people in a delicate ecosystem would have deleterious impacts to the environment. Raising prices will radically exclude some people and that is more in keeping with reality (BM philosophies aside).

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    • The Desert is Beautiful says:

      Only a moron, completely divorced from all ecological sciences, would think that “radical inclusion” in the desert would be a good idea from an ecological perspective. I guess BM’ers will have to decide if they care more about fines and the environment than they do about an awesome bonfire.

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  • Can't wait for BM 2016 says:

    Any word on tickets? We are on the other side of the hump for mid-January updates! thank you

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  • The Desert is Beautiful says:

    I don’t see what the problem is. The playa has been a destructive ecological force since the beginning!!

    Why should we change now?

    40,000 people in the dessert has to be a great thing for the environment, right?

    The original, wholly inventive artists that go to the playa couldn’t possibly do harm!!

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  • I have kids and don't care says:

    I can’t wait to bring my kids. I’d like them to see that it’s okay to drag a ton of people into an ecosystem that is incapable of supporting them.

    My kids need to see that the destruction of the environment is worthwhile outcome, so long as we have our time in the sun!

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  • art installations and nag champa!!! says:

    Love the burn

    Love the playa

    Environment be damned!!!

    40,000…let’s go for 50,000!!!!

    Radical inclusion!!!!

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    • damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead!!! says:

      just because we knew that global warming was a thing, that didn’t mean we needed to do anything about it.

      The fact that there is unambiguous information regarding the damage done to the desert ecosystem by the playa doesn’t mean we should change anything.

      I need my playa!! Where’s artistic bonfire!!!!

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  • Double-A says:

    I vote we DON’T GO, this year.
    F*ck them.
    Take off for a year and see how their economy sputters kaput. This type of obvious greed should be dealt with by the absence of the almighty dollar. Fight fire with fire, so to speak.

    #noburn2016

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  • Tom says:

    Is anyone going by RV from Massachusetts? Have you been to BM before?

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  • RisaDoc says:

    crypto biotic soil does not grow on the bottom of a dry seasonal lake. It is OK, walk on the playa!!!

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  • RisaDoc says:

    crypto biotic soil does not grow on the bottom of a dry seasonal lake. It is OK to walk on the playa.!!!

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  • Christina says:

    So, sell less than 7,500 tickets. Make each ticket valid for 100-500 individuals or whatever number. Have communities buy their passes collectively. See if there is a feasible loop hole… And use it. Be creative!!

    Or have everyone volunteer and make it free.

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  • Andrew Couture (crazycanucks) says:

    At this point i would be happy to pay the 800.00 (x2)
    for pre-sale price so we can start planning our first burn ….althought its a steep price its better than dealing with the scalpers

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  • immature_hour says:

    Are you guys really fussing over $40 ?

    REALLY ?

    REEEAAAALLLYYYYY ??????

    COME ON !!!!!!! its $40 .. it’s a wash in the thousands it’s already costing you to get your ass dusty ..

    suck it up buttercup.

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    • Starfox says:

      I think very few people really care about the tens of dollars extra they’d have to pay. It’s more about the principle. What’s to say they won’t raise the tax to 50%? Fundamentally, BMOrg is saying that the tax simply does not apply and that they want confirmation that it does not apply. BMOrg does not provide live entertainment. If the tax was meant to be targeted at Burning Man, then the state of Nevada should have written it more clearly.

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  • Kris D says:

    As many uninformed folk from Utah have commented, the gathering is a place for miscreants to indulge in riotous living. It is a sentiment echoed by those who’ve never attended, but in their wisdom know that there must be a witch worthy of burning. That attitude may may have adherents in the Nevada pegislature just as there may be a corporate influence looking to harvest the lithium-rich playa with evaporating ponds, well pumps, dikes, and processing plants along Lahontan’s ancient shoreline; so much for “leave no trace”.
    It is irrelevant that the tax inventing legislator’s motivation is false-witness moralizing or driven by a corporate strategy to silence opposition to mining the playa by driving off the tree huggers. It’s simply another sin tax like the $2 on a pack of cigarettes, or the 40% tax on alcohol, and license fees for serving liquor – all pleasures have an inextricable dark side that merit the means employed by the king’s tax collectors.
    The aforegoing comments have offered endless remedies from buying nearby land, moving to reservation land, relocation to an area presumably as free from rattlesnakes and poisonous bugs as the playa. Leaving days of dust storms and mud from unexpected storm cells has its price. Since tarring and feathering an ALEC influenced legislator begets a predictably militarized response, the only option is to pay or file a lawsuit against the legislature for a tax whose wording is a model of circuitously discriminatory wording. So much for NAC 704a. The cure: somehow convert all participants to Rastafarianism and file a federal action for religious persecution.

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  • Michelle S says:

    I’ve been reading a lot of these comments, & though the potential tax is terrible, it frightens me more when people are saying to cancel it this year or move somewhere else. I have been planning to do this since I heard about it many years ago. Last year I decided this was the year to go. I’m from Canada, & anyone paying attention to our economy, our dollar is so low compared to the U.S. I plan to drive for 3 days to get there and it wasn’t going to stop me. I’ve saved for a long time for this trip and have prepared for months. I bought an R.V, amongst many other things. I understand something should be done about this, but I do not think cancelling the event is the right choice. The majority of people who go are first time burners & who believe the people in charge of this will make the right decision and do what’s best for all the burners. My opinion is nothing compared to the tens of thousands going. All I can say is please do not cancel or move.

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    • Mike says:

      Actually there are more repeat burners than first timers… And I understand you not wanting the event cancelled… Valid. However, if you are driving 3 days from Canada…. Why would you care if it’s moved from a place you’ve never been. It would likely move to California, Colorado, Utah, Montana, Arizona, or Washington and not add much more to your trek. It might even be closer… The argument not to move is made by people with storage in Nevada or people attached to the nostalgia of the site.

      We have to let Nevada lawmakers know,,,, they are in jeopardy of loosing 50+ million a year…. That is the only way to credibly negotiate. One or two years of hartship for a more reliable burn for future burners… Yes please.

      I think moving to a state with looser laws like Washington or Colorado would also be a vertical move !!

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      • Michelle S says:

        Firstly, Mike, in the last couple to few years it has been majority new burners. It’s even written in the burning man blog. Though that is completely irrelevant.
        We are all entitled to our own opinion, & your opinion, I’m sure, is valid.
        You’re here to comment on the situation, not to refute others opinions and question their reasoning.

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    • Will Chase says:

      Hi Michelle, you said: “The majority of people who go are first time burners & who believe the people in charge of this will make the right decision and do what’s best for all the burners.”

      Just wanted to clarify that we haven’t had a majority of first-time Burners on playa since the mid-90s. Our population is usually around 35% first-timers.

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  • Brettt Roncelli says:

    Invite Bundy. Bring back guns. Refuse to pay BLM. Twitter we need snack. Done.

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  • Lance says:

    This is essentially a negotiation. The first rule of negotiation is you must be willing to walk away. So the options are A) skip 2016 or B) hold the event somewhere else. If the organizers don’t have the courage to skip 2016, and mistakenly don’t think they can move the event, then it MUST be on the table for 2017. We need to reach out to other states and see where we can get a better deal. Otherwise Nevada will always have us by the shorten Curleys and continue to raise taxes and fees.

    Instead, let’s just walk away… He burner community is a strong lot, and I am sure we can build our community in another state. Granted there are huge storage and logistical issues already implanted in Nevada. So maybe we wait until 2017 this late in the game.. But the threat had to be there to move and we have to start courting Luther states to have other options on the table..

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  • Rick says:

    Taxation without representation is tyranny. Most of the participants at Burning Man are out of staters and the NV legislature looks to sock it to them without fear of reprisal. It appears the only option is to relocate. There are several 1000+ acre ranches in Texas posted for auction…..Hmmm?

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  • Maegan says:

    A lot of people suggest that this year’s Burning Man be cancelled. I understand why everyone suggests that, but I grew up hearing amazing stories about this place and grew up wanting to be apart of it. You can understand why it shouldn’t be cancelled, right? Yes, I’m a virgin burner, but Burning Man is important to me, just like it’s important to all of you. I have been wanting to go for a really long time, but this year is the only year I have to go because for the next four years I will be attending college. Plus, the Temple is important to me because I need to let go of people and past traumas- that I haven’t been able to let go of for years.
    I know Burning Man is something that shouldn’t be cancelled and I’m pretty sure all of you, deep down, know it too. It’s an amazing world to retreat to, to escape the harsh judgement and hatred of the default world.
    So please, don’t cancel this event.

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  • rose says:

    Sounds like someone isn’t happy with the golden feathers that are naturally dropped so now they want to pluck the bird bald. Greed kills everything it touches eventually. Say the tax gets passed on to us burners this year what about the future years? If something exists someone will invent a way to tax it.

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  • Silver Cowboy says:

    Relax, everyone. It will work itself out eventually. It always does. No need to panic and advocate to move the venue; no need to boycott the event. We all know that will not happen.

    I have been attending since 2000. I have made life changing decisions on the playa. I have had the most beautiful, transcendent experiences of my life. I have learned about myself and about others. I have fallen deeper in love than I ever imagined on the playa. It is a part of my life and a part of who I think myself to be. I have explored my boundaries and barriers. A night on the playa is magical and stunning; the stuff of dreams. Please don’t trivialize it by calling it a “party.” If that is what you think, please stay home. If you have been a number of times and think you understand it and still think it is simply a party, then you haven’t really experienced it. Please stay home this year and find yourself a rave to attend.

    Having said that, I am sure there will be a raise in the price of the tickets given the news of the LET. Ok. I think my first ticket cost me $90. They have increased in price consistently. It is still a good deal for the 8 days I am there. I will pay a higher price again, I just want them to get on with it. I have scrambling and bargaining for tickets to do if there won’t be the higher priced tickets which I understand are easier to get. This will be the first year we have purchased the higher priced tickets. We would like to start planning soon. Please keep us informed of the process and progress. “Mid January” has come and gone.

    Silver Cowboy

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  • amenophis says:

    Maybe the major sound camps could file that tax individually (with the help of BMORG), and pay the Zero dollars of sales tax due from the ticket sales they made.

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  • Safaribear says:

    Elon Musk had five states in a bidding war to give Tesla land and tax exemptions for the new factory based on economic benefit to the local community. Nevada outbid them all.
    Burning Man is now known the world over as an exceptional event but it feels like the attendees are demonised and persecuted by law enforcement. Taxed to the Max.
    We came to BM for the last three years from Australia and Home it most certainly feels like now but I was astonished by the enthusiasm of the law enforcement agencies. Oppressive vouyers who created a lot of fear and dust.
    Would this happen on private land?
    Nor am I wealthy and I save hard all year to be able to attend BM. Forty dollars more compared with airfares and the other costs associated with getting to Burning Man is not much…But Eight Million dollars a YEAR looks like enough money to buy your own valley and the surrounding mountains.
    I Love Reno and the Black Rock Desert but Oregon seems to be free of sales tax and archaic prohibition laws regarding nudity and natural herbal medicines.
    Ticket tax $2,900,000
    BLM Licence $5,000,000
    Nearly $50,000,000 to surrounding community
    Owning your own Home PRICELESS
    Isn’t it time we stopped renting and bought a Home of our Own.
    Moving is never fun but if you own your Home no one can stop you having friends over…..
    If it was the Church of the Burning Man then Home would truly be sacred ground and tax free as well.
    After all We like to have a Temple
    Eight million a year buys a lot of land…..
    http://www.landwatch.com/Humboldt-County-Nevada-Farms-and-Ranches-for-sale/pid/318084380

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    • BurnerGrrrl / Anarchy says:

      My fave options are: (1) The person who suggested Buying our own land. With all the many years of millions in ticket $ales profit$ — sounds like an no-brainer investment that will likely gush ROI..
      OR, (2) Who wants to start researching locations and make a new B*Man! Let’s make B*WoMAN!
      California tribal land? Coachella welcomes 100K people. And there’s 420 friendly states like Oregon, Washington, Colorado, etc that might welcome B*Man $$$$ for their territory.
      Guerrilla Party WoMan :-)

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      • B*Grrrl says:

        EDIT: Strike the word Party, and please replace it with Worship. Like the person’s idea above — to buy affordable acreage in Texas — and create our own Artists & Burners Temple Worship Org ;-)

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  • noelle says:

    Move the event to Washington State where you can burn all you want and not be put in jail. Nevada is the most inhospitable place for a community that likes to party-undercover cops messing with your mind and wallet; not cool.

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  • Chantal says:

    There are some fabulous ideas out there ! We want to go for our first time this year. Someone out there has to make a decision, and soon; whatever it may be We all know that it will not be taken light heartidly.
    Planning to go from anywhere around the world takes organisation (and money) – We’ll be coming from France – so hurry up and let us know what you decide. Don’t forget, there are BM fans world wide who will be there in heart if not in body. love you all

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  • silvergirl says:

    2015 was my first burn. I volunteered in the medical unit because that’s where my skill set was most useful for the event. In doing so, I had a glimpse into the neverending tesseract that was the Borg infrastructure, the unreal amount of red tape the event must deal with. I can’t imagine that aspect would go away by choosing another venue. Other places have their own set of issues (e.g. UT: no nudity, and more difficult public alcohol issues; CA: MORE taxes etc)
    I read many of the comments, and there are some great ideas to circumvent the live event tax (camping passes, raffle tickets, taking an invite from Indian lands) but I also can see a cat and mouse game going on. Where there is revenue to be made, the govt will try to make it. Period. This is not specific to NV. The tax is not necessarily directed to BM, and I honestly think the Borg are trying to be the smarter mouse in the game. The 45 day response time from the govt will certainly hamper timely ticket sales this year, kids. Prepare for the scramble!! I wish the organization swift speed in negotiating the proper path. Should we dump the tea over the side of the boat? I’m brewing coffee, baby! See you in August! I’ll be wearing the yellow shirt again!

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  • Starfox says:

    Sounds like they should restructure the ticket sales. Make Burning Man a free event, but it’s by invite only. The way you get an invite is to donate $380 (or whatever the ticket price is) to BMOrg. Burning Man gets its money and participants don’t have to pay exorbitant prices.

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  • Kink says:

    I’m down with taking 2016 off. No Burn.

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  • ecilasam says:

    The nights are short in France , before waiting for news …

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  • Playa God says:

    Illuminatis don’t want to see this Utopia become a THE Reality. Those opposition forces mean that we are moving forward. Lets unit and fight for the sake of Humanity. World Peace, Art, Culture, Education and HAPPINESS OF EVERY LIVING BEINGS

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  • I am hoping to attend this year!

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  • Jay Dee says:

    So many great comments and ideas.
    so much greed from Nevada, they do not deserve a penny from use. Seriously, we give them so much $$ already. I love the idea of doing it in an indian reserve, why not ? Last years sheriffs and other security types were calculated, aggressive and seriously unpleasant to deal with. Why so much hostility ? We are there to share the love …. I think finding a new place, for this year would be wise – remind them how much money we pour into their economy.. teach them a lesson. Who knows we might like the new space more !

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  • BurnerMan says:

    So where is the “mid-January” update? Is there at least a new date when you expect to have news?

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  • Huh? says:

    I love you all :)

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  • Marlon Ramos says:

    Where is the New? . We all deserve an update. !!! Please.

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  • Gurrrfuss says:

    Please make with the news and ticket sales Information, soon. Thank Youuuuu. Peace.

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  • Will Jewell says:

    I second that – please update us on the nevada tax decision and provide a realistic date when we might expect tickets to go on sale. Also, if you need any support from us, please let us know. Most of us want the burn to happen this year one way or another.

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  • betty says:

    move it to detroit

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  • Freya says:

    Yep, another location for 2016 only wins my vote!

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  • Naes says:

    This is all a sham the tickets have already been sold to the old timers. we will all have to beg them for tickets…

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  • Vanessa says:

    would’ve been cool if the bmorg made as much as a hubbub about the (seriously increased presence of) police over the past few years….

    I remember there was a bit of an argument, but bmorg folded and tickets did not go on sale late. A 7% tax however is a total game changer though? Really proud of you burningman!!!

    When it was our rights being taken from under us you kindof flinched,.. when a meager tax was put on you, you considered canceling the event. That is, the state directly taxing an event which grosses tens of millions is more of an egregious action than the state indirectly taxing individuals which gross less than 100000? I am not okay with this.

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  • Nina says:

    I think moving the event would be the most viable option. There are many states that could use the cash flow that BM generates. New Mexico has vast empty lands that could be used and they would actually appreciate burners.

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  • Shaun Kukla says:

    This sucks on so many levels. I love the dust and the challenges it can bring. You just don’t find that anywhere else. I’ve only been the last 3 years but I do notice the change and it’s as if they don’t want us there anymore for some stupid reason. The dust is Burning Man! I love the playa and the energy of that place. If it moves, it should still be in a dusty location no doubt!

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  • Robert X. Planet says:

    OKAY, PROBLEM SOLVED: Tickets will be priced at $10, explicitly marked to cover ONLY gate admission and viewing of all entertainment events, including fireworks, music performances and any and all other “shows” that may occur, regardless of whether they are planned by BMORG or staged by participants. (This is the taxable part.) BUT, each ticket ALSO includes carries a mandatory $370 campsite fee, which guarantees a spot to camp (whether pre-placed by BMORG or self-located), and use of all roads and sanitary facilities for the duration of the event. End of discussion! “They” get a SMALL tax, and we get to keep our precious Black Rock City–which, by the way, protestor folks, can ONLY be called that if it’s held in the Black Rock Desert! (ALL other proposed “alternate sites” are unsuitable, mainly because they contain vegetation, geological features and animals; whereas Burning Man requires a huge, flat, clean, blank canvas–like the dry Lake Lahontan bed currently used–to freely create our magical metropolis. ALSO, has anyone considered the extreme extra travel expenses we’d all have to endure if the event were moved elsewhere? Surely it would add up to a LOT more than the proposed tax.) And the notion of cancelling this year’s event to “teach” someone a “lesson” is preposterous, Only Burners and the local neighbors would suffer. (Gerlach’s economy would be destroyed!) No politician would take the slightest notice. SO: A new ticket-price structure is the clear answer! $10 tickets with a $370 campsite fee attached. You’re welcome!

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  • Jofia Ross says:

    There are other deserts in North America where we can give that state and surdounding cities the opportunity to gain from our community. If Nevada is targeting Burning Man we are a community that is mobile. Let’s be mobile! We can share our love and art around the country. Here are some ideas Colorado, Washington, idaho, Wyoming, Oregon, Utah and Texas. Clearly it’s time for a change a transformation.

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  • Theron Roux says:

    I thought Black Rock Desert was so rounded by first nations and aboriginal grounds… BRC should be except for that reason or at least contribute taxes to the local communities but not the State…

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  • BurnerGrrrrl says:

    Let’s be smart and pro-active, like I trust BMorg is, and find a NEW LOCATION NOW :-) Nevada LAW has been getting more on our butt holes year after year. Allegedly, Undercover topless narcs offering sex acts, then busting a camp for weed, etc. Or so I’ve heard ;-) What about Washington or Oregon or ??? Where a new location would actually appreciate our presence, er, $$$$$$$ DOLLARS $$$$$$$$ Just saying!

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  • conigs says:

    Maybe burning man should not cost money… Just saying. We could all live without a lot of the shit that happens. I live in the woods with no power, no running water, no flushing toilet for many years! I’m fine & it works. The government federal and local get a big chunk of our money. ONLY TO FUCK US WITH LATER! Ticket sales are so nuts I chose not to go last year! Real this back in and let’s start donating privately to hold the event ticket free. That is my answer!

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  • Jennifer says:

    Don’t pay the taxes. Move to a state that needs the money and the economy and the employment . I’ve been wanting to attend Burning Man for years but now that I have read this . Forget it . Nevada makes enough money . Move on . Build a better Burning Man.

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  • ktpedro says:

    I wonder if a Native American community would be willing to host the event, permanently. There is a lot of open space on Native land, and I am sure the $50 million/year would be put to great use to build much needed infrastructure on some of these lands, such as running water, roads, schools, etc.

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  • ray_pilot says:

    I’m ready to come. Has been on my bucket list for years. This is the year. I’ll be one of those who fly in. I can’t wait. I’ll pay the Nevada Mafia extortion. Let’s just do it.
    How can I help make that happen. Let’s get a grass roots movement going.

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    • Dogknee says:

      Ray, that’s a great way to arrive. No traffic hassles in or out. You will need to tack on more dollars for landing fees though. The airport isn’t free access either.
      But, as a pilot and aircraft owner you are rich anyway. Don’t you love hearing that?
      DK

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  • Patrick Henry says:

    Like most, I have not looked into Nevada’s situation. Maybe they really are spending so much to support BM that the extra $40 is warranted, or maybe its just plain old greed. While I understand the principle, an extra $40/ticket is just not that important relative to the total cost of attendance which is pretty big.

    AND…its probably time to evaluate alternative locations. The BLM and law enforcement are over the top with paranoia at the safest large event of this size on the planet. Despite years of challenges, that event is still choked for access with a two lane asphalt road for all 70,000 people to traverse which is a big mess every year. An enterprising Indian reservation could make a very nice living for a lot of locals if they got organized. BMORG – put the location out to competitive bid for next year, and let’s see what happens ! :-)

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  • RIck says:

    Just pay the extra $40 and lets get on with it. Sue them later if you think its wrong. I think both sides are being greedy.

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  • Otter says:

    ugh – now we have to wait until the end of January for the sales date announcement. I agree with so many others; I’ll pay the additional cost and will hope that Borg continues to fight this. I’m all for moving if we had to, just not willing to skip a year to do so, and I would continue to pay the additional cost every year until an alternative location is found or the tax has been resolved. Burning Man is just too important to me to quibble over $36.00.

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    • conigs says:

      FUCK GIVING 36 DOLLARS TO THE NEVADA GOVERNMENT! FUCK 400 DOLLAR TICKETS! AS A BURNER! MAKE TICKETS 2OO! THE OTHER 200 GIVE TO BERNIE MOTHER FUCKIN SANDERS! THATS ROUGHLY 12,000,000 DOLLARS! THAT WOULD ACTUALLY FUCKING CHANGE SOME THINGS! HAVE ALL OF US LOST OUR FUCKIN MINDS! FOR A MONEY FREE EVENT THAT MEANS SO MUCH TO US ALL, HOW THE FUCK CAN WE JUSTIFY PISSING IT AWAY SO EASILY?

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      • merfer says:

        “THE OTHER 200 GIVE TO BERNIE MOTHER FUCKIN SANDERS! THATS ROUGHLY 12,000,000 DOLLARS! THAT WOULD ACTUALLY FUCKING CHANGE SOME THINGS! ”

        Quiet down. And no it wouldn’t. And to the rest of you, if you can’t figure out by now that politicians don’t change anything then you all are hopeless.

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  • Mr. Shane Shane Shane says:

    Thank you all who put justice, thinking and personal careers on hold in order to push intellectual and worldly goals. -Seems insurmountable at times, and it might be. -But….always fight the good fight. Thank you, Mr. Shane Shane……..Love you, S3

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  • Alex Hodgkinson says:

    I’m from South Africa, and I am a huge fan of this Camping Festival, looking forward to my first time someday.. I hope it gets the go ahead this year without any fuss and major complications because I am a firm believer of this generous concept.. Best of luck.. We Are One ✌

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  • Lynsey moss says:

    I’m a three year burner … I vote miss a year to make everyone appreciate the benefits of a burn the only problem is the next year you hold it it’s going to be too hectic and many will miss out but hey ho !

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  • HIGHLIGHTER says:

    I truely pray Nevada dosent do this. I think the event should be moved. I hate to even say that, cause its to far away as it is. But to be targeted like this is just crazy. It’s already pricy to go in the first place. If anything the extra money should be put to more porta potties not to the government for nothing. Not fair. Please don’t punish people for bringing lots of money to your state.

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  • RickyDee says:

    Like many people, I’m not much of a doer. I don’t organize things or plan things very well. I’m an over-analyzer. I’m a worrier, a picky bastard, and all kinds of other descriptive words. The bottom line is, I could NEVER plan or execute something as big as Burning Man has become. I applaud all those that have been an active part in this festival, and I will gladly pay for continuation of this cultural phenomenon. Good luck to the organizers… I’m behind whatever decision you choose to make. I just hope this year goes off without a hitch. It will be my first.
    Like a wise space-guy once said, “Make it so.”

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  • ecilasam says:

    At the beginning of this new expectation irritated me . But I find a excitation like a playa travel beginning.

    This expectation only reinforces my desire to walk in the sand of black rock City , I feel that I’m getting ready … what a joy to think ahead .

    tenderness

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  • DavieWiseguy says:

    We’re in a tough spot. It’s not just about the current price tag. This feels like extortion; the more we give in now the more they’ll demand in the future until they squeeze every penny they can out of every burner. It’s governmental commoditization & commercialization at it’s worst. The tax is the antithesis of what our community is about. It’s ultimately a degrading attempt to classify us as a default world entertainment cash cow worthy of milking and we must stand our ground!

    I fell we can trust the organizers to give it the best fight, even to the Suprene Court if necessary & I’m sure they’ll come up with creative, outside-the-box plans B, C & D.

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  • Sticks says:

    I will say this right now, appeal to Gov john hickenlooper’s sense of business and this event would move seamlessly to Colorado. Not only that, but i’m pretty dang sure the incentives we offer here for business’ are working well enough that the tax we’d put on an event like this wouldn’t just be manageable, they might be non-existent as a boost to the economy of a smaller town area. As to policing? well i know one thing we wouldn’t have to worry much about.

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  • Brad Carter says:

    I am sincerely hoping that I will be able to make this my first burning man. There is a long story to explain why I am 36 (37 in June) and only now making it to this event. Do I have a bit of fear over the news of this tax and what it could mean? Of course I do. The thing that I have to remind myself of is that this is simply the course that the universe is taking at this moment. I am a Buddhist and I see several things within the values behind Burning Man that are in direct line with Buddhist teaching and I believe that they can be applied here. Let us let go of our attachment to one experience and remember that this experience is not something that only happens once a year in the Nevada sun but one that should be in all of our hearts at all times. If this event is meant to happen in NV, it will. If it is meant to happen elsewhere it will. If it is meant to degrade and become something we no longer support, it will. I have faith though that the spirit of this and the overall values we believe in, will continue past one event.

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  • Barb Sharanowski says:

    If it were held in Canada, it would likely have already been taxed. I guess we’re just used to taxes on everything up North to pay for social services and infrastructure. I applaud all the efforts to keep the price low (and thus inclusive) and prevent taxation of a non-profit. But, IMHO, it would be awful if a taxation issue prevented a chance for our community to come together this year.

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  • Sup the nuxito says:

    I think that if they want to treat our community like a zoo, we should create a bleacher section around the event and sell tickets to the spectators. Then they can have the taxes there. And we can get back to our awesome community.

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  • Tyrone says:

    Yes and no. Something like that.

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  • Misti says:

    People keep saying that the attendees that create everything so it shouldn’t matter where it is held, it will still be home.

    Utah would be a nice option but not if kids will be excluded, I would be happy with most neighboring states.

    On a side note;
    When you are from out of state and unfamiliar with the smaller stores in the area and their hours or what they sell Walmart is a realistic option. It may not be ideal for everyone to shop there daily but its similar to how a lot of people eat horribly for a week at the event but maybe not for their usual daily meals…

    What is everyone’s issue with RVs? not all people driving them have tons of money and exclude themselves from their neighbors. Our RV is old, and ugly but reliable and is the cheapest and best option for our burn.

    seriously guys, out of all the things to complain about you could chose better! <3

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    • Dogknee says:

      I’m with you on the RV thing. I bring a toy hauler. It’s funny, other burners don’t seem to have a problem enjoying the things I share. The things that I can’t fit in my truck.
      With out the trailer, I’d be like a lot of the others who are only there for a party. Taking..but never giving.

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      • misti says:

        Exactly! I have yet to find someone there who complained while they are using the RV to block the wind for their tent, when taking shelter inside during a dust storm after their equiptment failed or complained about the frozen treats and other gifts we are able to share that we otherwise wouldn’t be able to bring.

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  • eggchairsteve says:

    “before the end of the month”

    …last Friday of the month….

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  • Dogknee says:

    Wow, I read so many comments abt how bad the law enforcement is. All of the folks that say they’ve been hassled by LEOs. I’ve been doing this event for around ten years now and I have yet to have any kind of negative interaction with law enforcement.
    What am I doing wrong? In fact, one year I got a flat on my way out and was barely off the highway. NHP came along and created a safety zone with their car for me so I wouldn’t get hit by traffic passing me. They were very nice and complemented me on the equipment I carry for such an emergency. They did a magnificent job of keeping the Local Native American vultures with tow trucks away from me as well.
    I guess that’s just my experience. Everyone else is getting hassled.
    DK

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  • Ana says:

    Why don’t you guys scrap tickets and make participants make a mandatory “donation” (which would be the cost of the regular ticket price) insteAd? Since it is not categorised as a ticket and rather a donation, perhaps you can bypass the new tax laws?

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  • Seth says:

    Think it’s officially the end of January, Are we getting an update or NO ??

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  • Elsensei says:

    I used to spend most winter weekends in Glamis, the sand dune complex east of San Diego. It was terrific, tons of fun, we duners took care of our own. Everyone had a great time. Then the BLM and local law enforcement discovered people were having fun. Fees quadrupled. The dune-able area shrank by more than half, IIRC. And now it’s crawling with feds and cops just ITCHING to bust anyone for anything. I very rarely go anymore.

    I spent six months of last year attending festivals across the US and Europe. The one that surprised and delighted me the most was Oregon Country Fair. I’d never been before, but I’ve put it on my regular rotation. It’s a festival of 30,000 people on private land. No cops, no bullshit, just tons of hippies and burner-type folk having a good time.

    Government is based on violence and therefore fucks up everything it touches. The trajectory than Burning Man is on is not going to change for the better. They will push and take until the event is ruined. If BMORG manages to dodge this tax, next year it will be something else.

    Guaranteed.

    I advise avoid throwing good money after bad, kiss the playa goodbye, find another piece of worthless wasteland and buy it.

    Worthless land is cheap, because it’s worthless.

    Good lord- google “ranch land for sale”. You’ll be amazed at what five million bucks will buy in Wyoming, Arizona, New Mexico, even Nevada.

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  • Shelly Duell says:

    No update on ticket sales yet? The post says information would become available by the end of January.

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  • I’m willing to pay the 9% tax.
    Put the fricken tickets on sale, already!

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  • Ecilasam says:

    someone just confirm the cancellation ?

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  • Lawrence says:

    Move the burn to Oregon this year, there’s a nice large playa in the south east of the state and Oregon is more progressive than Nevada or Utah.

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  • Bart says:

    In ‘my’ timezone (CET) the last day of the month comes to an end in a few hours… So glad there is a 9 hour time difference to the BM office hours, otherwise I would have been extremely concerned from not hearing any updates on the ticketsales…

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  • Kris D says:

    Less than 12 hours (PST) to the deadline and the State’s promised 45-day review period regarding “LET” applicability ends as well. So if BMORG collected the LET tax, went ahead with the event, but retained LET funds until legislative ambiguities are corrected by amendment, this could extend the event another year while still allowing attention to a permanent resolution. If the tax is “repealed”, that’s a lot of solar panels for Nevada’s public schools whose future is being crushed by the same legislature.
    I know, it still sounds like desperate begging for another year

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  • Whizm Dawit says:

    How about a little radical gifting this year! BMOrg could distribute tickets gratis on a first come first serve basis. That would definitely resolve the the Entertainment Tax quandary for this year anyway. And the Burning Man Project (non-profit) could solicit donations to help subsidize the cost of the event!

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  • TheCrackFox says:

    SO….. It’s January 31st.. That means it is indeed the end of the month. Information should have been posted at this point. But tickets will probably be around $435+$70 vehicle pass and something to the tune of 2 weeks to gather those funds before the sale starts…. I really hope the Borg allows less affluent participants some time to raise that dough by having tickets actually go on sale in March/April. If information would’ve been posted at its regular point in the year we normally have about two and a half months to save up the money. Hopefully that’s still the case…. But I’m not holding my breath. I know for most that attend that’s drops in a bucket but for our camp we really have to save up and fundraise and even then we barely scrape by. Hopefully the Borg understands that concept (like I mentioned, not holding my breath) and has taken that into their careful consideration in all of this.

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  • Lordgenome says:

    11:58…any news???

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    • Buddy Howard says:

      I heard there was a conference call a couple days ago with the committee heads in which it was decided that the 9% would be added to tickets and it will stay in BRC. Also heard if they get the exception from Nevada (meaning not taxed), then that portion will be refunded to ticket buyers.

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  • Chris Huelsbeck says:

    As someone mentioned Oregon as an alternative location: The Alvord Desert (look it up on wikipedia & google) indeed sounds like a perfect carbon copy of the Black Rock Desert… the dry lake is a bit smaller, but should be still big enough to hold the event.

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  • Calico says:

    Two comments here… one Maybe BMorg can split the difference with the participants… lower the ticket price by 4.5% then when we pay the 9% it will really be 4.5 for us & 4.5 for BMorg…. That would be BMorg gifting us!

    2nd comment… I’m much more worried about the effects of Nevada AB49 signed in June & went into effect Oct 1st…. it makes any form of nudity of an adult in the presence of a minor a FELONY… this incudes with in a person’s home and in any school locker room. Yes this means if there are 18 yr old students and 17 (or less) using the locker room at the same time, the 18 yr olds are committing a felony! With Burning Man being both family and clothing optional, and the new ultra strict Sheriff in the area…. I’m worried!!!! The tax is just money, one way or another we can deal with that…. but AB49 is a direct assault on basic rights!

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    • Kris D says:

      Regarding the second point, it appears the Huckabee/Monson factions are writing 19th century law all over again. It would probably be overturned by less parochial minds in the Supreme Court if contested, but most Nevadans are unaware that such rabid morality has been imposed by the legislature.
      The intent is clear: any sense of freedom from guilt is to be repkaced with a level of prudery that makes all forms of inhibition felonious. Salem raises its ugly head in Nevada with this one and the first time a minor decides to make a parent’s life miserable for walking out of a shower, it’ll be overturned.
      Thanks for posting this latest assault on freedom and the consequences that arise from politicians pandering to extremists for votes.

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      • Kris D says:

        Correction:
        https://legiscan.com/NV/text/AB49/2015 After reading the bill, it appears to be an attempt to extend the Peeping Tom laws where images of individual(s) engaged in sexual acts or defined nudity where those images are taken without consent or knowledge, the distribution of which is now a felony. The law may be read at the posted link. While the language is wanting a clearer description of who the victim is, the law constrains the courts from ordering the photographer to undergo psychiatric examination. The law is also subject to broad interpretation except that the image-taker and such images, if electronically or casually distributed for profit, is now a felony in the absence of consent.
        This assembly bill is so brief and overly prudent in its descriptions of the human anatomy that a major take-away is the discomfort experienced by the author (who remained unnamed) expressing acts, extent of nudity and physical parts that constitute an offense by the exposed (naked person).
        Beyond indecency laws already on the books, multiple re-reads may reveal some expanded latitude in affixing wrongdoing to the individual depicted in the images. if so, it ignores existing statutes NRS 200.603, 604 and others related to invasion of privacy, photography, stalking, harassment, and distribution of images revealing parts specifically described in the statutes.
        AB49 takes clear aim at folks who make skin flicks using folks who had a reasonable expectation of privacy or anonymity and who, in the absence of written consent, find themselves a featured revenue stream flick/photo on the adult entertainment circuit.
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  • Ecilasam says:

    Tic tac… tic tac

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  • Gosiz says:

    Burning man where are u ????

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  • BurnerMan says:

    It’s February now and still no update. I expect that the next update will be “update will be provided in mid-February.”

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  • Ecilasam says:

    My heart goes out there you hold on …
    What suspense …
    Tendresses

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  • Johndds says:

    Hello

    Hello
    Any update as to when we can purchase Tix?

    This will be my first burn. My intent is to have my 50th B-Day here (both parents still alive, only brother passed last year would like to burn some of his things) and have been waiting patiently for tickets. PLEASE update

    Thanks in advance

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  • dean codo says:

    To survive, Burningman must always evolve and adapt. Let’s cancel this year’s burn and move to a new location outside of Nevada for next year. We’ve moved before and we can move again. A PERFECT place would be on the Alvord Desert at the base of Steen’s Mountain in Eastern Oregon. Oregon’s tourism motto is, “We Love Dreamers.”

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  • Burning Man says:

    Hey all! Thanks for all of your (exceedingly creative) suggestions for how to ensure the tax doesn’t apply to tickets to Black Rock City. We’re truly impressed by your thoughtful and imaginative ideas. Here’s the thing: if we were to radically change our ticketing structure in any way that could be interpreted as attempting to avoid paying the tax, we could face allegations of Tax Evasion.

    Not a good look.

    So we are exploring all of the lawful channels for challenging the tax, and we appreciate your support in the meantime!

    — Your Friends at Burning Man

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    • Wendy says:

      Thanks for the update! :)

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    • JV says:

      Here’s the thing, if the BMORG would have let us know in an official post that changing the ticket policy in reaction to the possible tax is illegal, instead of a snide comment, the community wouldn’t have burdened poor you with all these “thoughtful and imaginative ideas,” and wouldn’t have felt so left out of the loop. Time and time again, the communication policy and style has been dismissive, at best. Get your fucking act together, PR department. This is no longer a little get-together of coolsters, this is a pretty major organization with 1000s of participants having to navigate a fairly unique gauntlet of administrative and financial preparation just to attend and bring the party. Most of us are more than willing to accept that things are changing and you guys are doing the best you can. Just keep us informed in a timely and non-dismissive manner.

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      • Will Chase says:

        HI JV, if you read that comment as dismissive, you most definitely read it wrong.

        It was meant to shed light on the legal realities of the situation so the ongoing discussion and brainstorming could stay within the realm of what’s actually possible and legal, making the stream of ideas coming from the community that much more valuable to add into our decision-making process.

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      • JV says:

        This post has been up for a month and a half, Will, and now, apparently only a couple days before ticketing information will be released, you’ve chosen to drop this information nugget to focus our brainstorming? Ha! That’s not even good spin.

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  • Ecilasam says:

    I hope that the motivation of each of us will help you find a solution …

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  • Heather wants to go back home says:

    It’s February first & still no new info :(

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  • Egorilla says:

    Was hoping for a little more information then that after being kept in the dark for so long. It’s well past the 45 days.. What’s the holdup?

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  • Vika says:

    just want to share my good vibes. )'(

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  • Flower says:

    ANNOYING!
    I have comments about the LET but what I’m finding the most annoying right now it the orgs communication ‘style’ here.
    If you are going to keep people updated on such an important issue, please try the following:

    1 – Provide the update(s) in a SINGLE location. Preferably on the “Tickets” webpage, as that is where people would logically look for it. Not willy-nilly on the webpage or on the journal or hidden somewhere here in the comments.
    2 – Provide a date for the next update.
    3 – Then actually update that specific location with information on the day the update is promised. Even if it’s “We’re still working on it guys. Another update to be provided on X/XX”

    This tiny bit of professionalism and courtesy would go a long way with instilling confidence and building community.

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  • Greg says:

    Hi.
    It’s… Ummmm… Feb now….
    Any updates?

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  • Will Chase says:

    Thanks for your patience, everybody … we’ve been working out last minute details, and Burning Man 2016 ticket information is coming this week.

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  • Traci says:

    Hi!

    Can someone help me out with something please :)

    I am trying to add my credit card to my burner profile so that I already have everything set up for when tickets go on sale. However, I cannot seem to figure out where to do that. Is this even an option?

    Traci

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  • Peachy Cat says:

    First, it’s about time the BORG gets better organized, given the millions it has and the large salaries that are paid. What’s with the half-assed updates?
    Second, the BORG could reciprocate and give more back to the state that gives it a home – in other words, pay the damn tax. Again, the BORG has millions in revenue and hefty salaries.
    Third, see the point above about the BORG having millions. It can reduce the ticket cost and include a tax in the tickets. Thats not “tax evasion”, there’s no law that says you can’t reduce ticket prices. You greedy cheapstakes.
    Fourth, don’t move it to tribal land because burners are so disrespectful – with their fake headdresses in particular. Native Americans don’t need to deal with that. *Further Future* asks it participants not to wear headdresses out of respect on tribal land, the BORG would never do that and burners would never comply.

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    • Sig oh says:

      Peachy Cat, your comments reveal yourself as neither someone has ever attended nor has any understanding of the event. So your opinion is either that of a troll or a Nevada resident. For your sake, I am going to assume the latter.

      Pay the tax? oh no no no. Give Nevada more so they can hire more officers to conduct illegal searches? No, I prefer the org continues to choose how to spend their money (ie, Black Rock Solar for schools) then funding a better chair for someone in Carson City.

      I reject your notion entirely.

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      • Peachy Cat says:

        Ha! I have** attended multiple times. The common refrain to one who expresses an opinion that doesn’t fall in line is yours, “you must not be one of us”. Yawn. Oh, and I’m not a NV resident either. Your assumptions are wrong, predictable, and boring.

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  • Chuckie says:

    There are often exceptional exceptions accepted in a private event versus the public arena of life. It usually involves a signed exception when you accept a bought ticket that some exceptions may be taken to some marginally accepting behaviour that may not be accepted in public.

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  • Spur says:

    Let’s start a #MOVETHEBURN movement and scare them – maybe they’ll drop the tax and reel in that crazy sheriff and start temporary rail service and …..

    Maybe it is time to start seriously looking for another venue. There are plenty of dry lake beds out in the West. Even better, find some private land then things will really get better!

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  • Joshua says:

    All I know is this blog would make a fanfuckingtastic libretto for a flash mob comedy opera. It’s like someone took every logical fallacy in the book, cut them out with kids scissors, mixed them with glue and tomatoes, and shot them out of a potato cannon…into a vertically strung trampoline….

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  • Gosiz says:

    Thank you Will for information. We’re waiting ….
    Could you tell us if sales will be always in two sessions ?

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  • Eyal says:

    I think it’s time to move the burn !!!!

    It’s Not only $50M they gain . what about the $500 police tickets they give to thousands of burners ?!?!
    There is plenty of beautiful locations in the state and I am sure a lot of states will even give a lot of benefits to the BM just to come .
    How about to start in Colorado!?!? With legal weed ?!?! And a beautiful view !!!

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    • Gradschoolinsomniac says:

      No on Colorado. I live in Colorado and can attest to the fact it has been ruined by the tons of people who moved here and continue to move for pot. 1) there are no affordable rents, so good luck on finding an affordable chunk of land, etc. 2) due to beetle infestations, much of the forests are dry and dead, so good luck finding a “pretty place” where you can burn stuff. Think eastern plains, maybe. 3) A lot of rural counties are not pot friendly (no dispensaries, etc), so those cops are not going to be friendly to you or the scene. 4) not a lot of options or plesantantness, unless you enjoy New Jersey turnpike traffic everywhere, trash and overrun places in the mountains. No on Colorado.

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  • conigs says:

    Just like everything else in life… greed is destroying. I hate to say this, but it is not just the Nevada government. If burning tickets were not $400, maybe they would not need their cut…. have any of you herd of rainbow gatherings? They do not cost $, nor is the family profiting off of there kin.

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  • Otter says:

    It’s February 2nd, and no information. I have to believe that the issue may be broader than just an additional tax. https://legiscan.com/NV/text/AB49/2015 has quite an impact to nudity at the event, marking a single occurrence as a misdemeanor and a secondary offense as a felony, as well as indications regarding photography and distribution of these images, and then starts to define acts of incest and child abuse. In a quick read, obviously this is someone’s sad attempt to govern our morality based on their ignorance of what occurs at Burning Man. There are final references that define the way a great many of us participate in Burning Man in a carefree and innocent way as (g) Open or gross lewdness pursuant to NRS 201.210, and (h) Indecent or obscene exposure pursuant to NRS 201.220. It has horrific implications not only to someone like me who truly experiences great freedom at BM, but worse to the parents who bring children to this event – in this case could participation in the Carcass Wash define all participants with participation in illicit behavior punishable in a court of law? What if your child is in close proximity – are you as a parent now charged with endangering a minor? I’ll start to be a little more patient regarding the announcement of ticket sales now as I can only assume that BORG is really having to tread lightly here and is probably having expansive discussions about the impact of this bill to the event and how it’s introduction could be devastating to individual participation and the event in general.

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  • Mac says:

    I must agree with so many who feel that a “year off” is a positive suggestion. It has several merits. Firstly, as expressed by many, it send shock waves through the Northern Nevada economy and likely engender many reponses from within their own community to the “powers that be” (which not only includes NET). Secondly, it will allow the organizers a year to explore the possibility of other venues. Third, as a multi-year burner I for one would welcome a new experience with new challenges and new environmental factors. Surely there are many locations that would welcome such an economic windfall!
    As to the cost of maintaining staff without the income this year, let’s all contribute to that! There are many avenues to that end; one would be to request voluntary donations of, say, $50, to support the organization and those who contribute would be granted, in return, priority for 2017 ticket sales.
    We must remain free-thinkers when such challenges appear; we’re community!

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  • Trance says:

    I’m a bit late to the parade as the 421st post, but I have something to offer that hasn’t been said yet.

    Oregon has a great desert in the middle of nowhere called the Alvord Desert (I have camped there many times). It is just like the Black Rock playa, roughly three hours north of Gerlach in Oregon and flanked by the Steens mountains.

    I used to work for the State of Oregon and I was on a team that reviewed economic opportunity proposals that came through the Governor’s office. The projects that did it right would shop among states and get them to bid on their project. State governments are accustomed to paying to recruit job creators, through tax incentives, sites, etc. BMorg has gone about this all wrong by setting up Burning Man to be exploited.

    Burning Man could easily do this: lay out the requirements in a site selection overview, document the economic impact, and invite proposals from many states (with Playa) to compete for selection as the location. This would completely flip the scenario from government making demands to government bending over backwards to accommodate the event.

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    • Kris D says:

      Seeking proposals rather than permission – that has merit.

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    • Gradschoolinsomniac says:

      Have you read the articles explaining how burning man has permanently scarred and affected the Black Rock Playa ecosystem? The Oregon playa is beautiful, let’s not ruin that, too. Just leave the Alvord desert be. Do we have to consume, use and scar everything? No, we don’t.

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      • Miloslav Divis says:

        Many people need to decompress at least once a year. This event is an unique opportunity for that and their approach environment care to land protection etc. is next to none, if there won’t be such event people will go somewhere alone or in smaller groups but the total impact on environment would be much much worse.

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      • Siggo says:

        I have no such reports. Could you elaborate where this was published?

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  • John E. Baker, III says:

    Add me to the Hinterlands-of-Arizona group! I say: Let’s hold BurningMan2016 in the “Notch Area” of the Grand Canyon State! East of Vegas, south of Colorado and north of the Canyon… It’s also in just the right area to piss off the Fundie Mormons in Colorado City & Hilldale!

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  • Marcus Sims says:

    Consider this.
    The Burn is already working well with the BLM. It is Nevada that has become greedy so continue using BLM land, but not in Nevada.
    Try looking at a spot one hour outside Las Vegas called Pahrump, Nevada. They are on the edge of the Nevada and California border. They have a four-lane freeway from Las Vegas to Pahrump, with two additional major ways in and out of the area.
    A huge flat area that could hold 10 Burningman events is identical to what the current Burningman site has and it’s surrounded by mountains. From this site you couldn’t tell the difference from one location to another except it would be held on the California side. The only change would be the cost to ship the Burningman infrastructure a little more for set up. Since it is on BLM land the permit process would be just a matter of changing the address location and we could stay on schedule. We can always come back next year. Just a thought, Marcus

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    • Dogknee says:

      I don’t think Cali is a viable alternative. They want money for everything possible. They would most likely require permits and inspections for each structure built on site. Each permit has to be approved which would take weeks or longer. They would want each mutant vehicle to be licensed for either street or off-road. Each vehicle would have to meet California smog laws. Depending upon the vehicle, you might be required to wear a helmet. OSHA would probably have to be involved somewhere. Possibility of “No Burn Days” or pay for an exemption. Prolly have to pay for carbon offsets.
      CHP would get involved and then you would really see the revenue climb. They’d write citations for everything they could and be total dicks about it. Water shortages would require fees attached to tickets for funding the (Cali) DWP.
      Cost of gas is higher than just about any other state in the continent.
      California sucks when it comes to business. That’s why companies are leaving the state.
      I would love to see it there. A five hour drive is much more attractive than the current 15 for me. Realistically, no way.
      On the upside, Pahrump has 4 or 5 fireworks stores with decent prices. Not the reservation ripoff pricing. Plenty of gas stations in a reasonably short distance.
      World renown brothels as of late.
      There’s a lot of open land in Arizona and New Mexico. Haven’t heard much abt them.

      DK

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  • John Gray says:

    I have wanted to go for so long. DPW you ROCK.

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  • Miloslav Divis says:

    How much time it would take to change the notice about tickets to the end of February or posting just a short notice here into comments?

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  • The Hustler says:

    AARRGGHHH!!!

    Right, so … tickets.

    Every year there is ticket drama, and every year it works itself out and the burn is awesome.

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  • Like a farmer that rotates his crop just maybe the best idea would be to find 3 or 4 locations and rotate through them year after year. This would give each location a chance to heal before used again. As an avid backpacker Leave Know Trace is dear to my heart. But know mater how hard I try it is an impossible task. Just walking through a pristine area leaves a mark. Put 70,000 people in one place and you will have a huge mark. It does sounds like the forces to be does the best they can to minimize and clean up after. All one can ask it to find the best and most durable surface and minimize the impart as much as possible.

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    • Might also give the local governing bodies a chance to see Burning Man as something other then a cash cow. They just might acquire a higher level of application know that Burning Man has other location options. Just saying…..

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  • Patrick says:

    After briefing through SB266 it looks as though this should be deemed as a campsite and as so spaces issued would be deemed as rentals. Now having never been to your “party” (on bucket list) I as a camper should be able to enjoy myself with my neighbors as anyway I deem fit within the rules of the campgrounds. I truly hope you all figure this out and continue to celebrate life in manner you see fit.
    Just put in my two cents

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  • within the rules of the campgrounds. I truly hope you all figure this out and continue to celebrate life in manner you see fit.

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  • Kenneth says:

    I recently asked a Reno resident about the 9% tax. She said that Nevada has no income tax and she believes that the impetus for the 9% tax is that business, including house construction, has taken a nosedive in the past two years due to the low to non-existent snow pack in the Sierra, which has greatly reduced visits by skiers. There has been a large decline in lodging rental, restaurant patronage, and casino gambling in Reno and the communities south of it, which in turn has caused a big decline in tax revenue. As is true in many states, government is scrambling to replace declining revenues so as to continue to provide services on which citizens have become dependent.

    In regard to the statement by Burning Man organizers that “if we were to radically change our ticketing structure in any way that could be interpreted as attempting to avoid paying the tax, we could face allegations of Tax Evasion.”, allegations of tax evasion are not the same as tax evasion. I’m not a lawyer, but I wager that it is not illegal to change the ticketing structure anymore than it is illegal to change the ticket price, event location, or event rules.

    I think it would ease all of our minds if Burning Man organizers would be transparent regarding what they are doing/have done to investigate the feasibility of the many “exceedingly creative suggestions” made by Burners and if they have rejected these suggestions, why exactly. Burners are creative and committed people who invest considerable personal time and treasure to make this event happen. We would appreciate being treated accordingly.

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  • Bill says:

    Rotating to different sites seems a great idea to let the land heal. Plus asking States to bid for event would turn the table in favor of BM.

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  • Lynette Stackhouse says:

    What about Mountain Home, Idaho

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  • Kingaluk says:

    I think we will have a Burning in the same place in 2016. Dont forget, a lot of peoples have already a plane reservation and car rent. Then, we cant change the place for 2016 burning. Could be a good idea for next years, but for 2016, i think its too late. I checked some car reservation, like in Reno country, and the camping caravan are already almost over booking. Then, i think, we will/we must, have another burning 2016 in Black Rock City. Yeah. Have a good time.

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  • Snowcone says:

    Ok now that the tickets are out, how are we going to stop the scalping of tickets? A name on the ticket? Then they have to be transferred through the step program to the new ticket holder…. This is our new issue on hand.

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  • Pedro says:

    I firmly believe that we should not pay this live entertainment tax for the reason that we are not a live entertainment event. I would like to remind us all that people should never see the burn as some kind of spectator event – the last thing you want in a dangerous environment , is someone who sees it as an entertainment event. Unfortunately, it seems that the Burn is now going to capitulate and allow this definition. This runs counter to everything I know about the burn, and to be perfectly honest – it makes me deeply sad as a person. Seriously.

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  • Pedro says:

    If there is any way that the burn could move to another place, please could we discuss this?

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